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She might want to avoid windows now, surprisingly direct for such a senior official
Meanwhile Russian Navy reinventing the Nazi salute now
'Ukrainian regime' - this is the easiest how to identify a pro-putin retard. they are trying very hard to camouflage themselves as innocent 'just-asking-questions' turd, but sooner rather than later 'Ukrainian regime' has to be mentioned and cover is blown.
But when you came into the thread first a few months back you were just asking questions? Trying to understand the situation? And we're supposed to believe this fiction of you having a very vocal argument about the war way back in 2022? Did you develop amnesia in the meantime?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you just made all of that up.
You mean like you just did?
Elvira was going to leave the country when Putin took his boys army across into Ukraine. She knew they were done for by the figures.
Meanwhile Sabine Higgins on the end of the ship there saluting Putin.
Putin apparently likes her and forced her to stay in
Dictatorships have incredible capital and monetary controls but even those are being exhausted, she's either committing suicide by window or she's a very brave lady
What do folks think the mystery plot was where the Kremlin phoned the US and the US told Ukraine to desist?
Let us hope this "sequel" evolves into a very long-running "franchise"!
Probably a plot to kill Putin
The Americans must have pointed out that like Hitler at end of WW2 he is more useful alive as he just keeps making dumb decisions
The drinking water trucked into Chelyabinsk after a dam broke due to most likely maintenance neglected and heavy rains.
Just came across this today.
An opinion shared by Farik, trainer and veteran: " Not everyone is cut out for combat ," he insists, playing with his bayonet, " why make people fight who don't want to? " The " Chemist " says he has accepted his condition. Today, it is not death that frightens him, but trauma: " I want to be able to live a normal life afterwards ," he concludes. He, Oleg and their comrades will have to face the Russians for the first time before the end of July.
An opinion shared by Farik, trainer and veteran: " Not everyone is cut out for combat ," he insists, playing with his bayonet, " why make people fight who don't want to? "
The " Chemist " says he has accepted his condition. Today, it is not death that frightens him, but trauma: " I want to be able to live a normal life afterwards ," he concludes. He, Oleg and their comrades will have to face the Russians for the first time before the end of July.
I'm not sure what the point is in throwing Ukrainian postmen the military regards as useless onto the frontline. Even at this point many lives might be saved through diplomacy or at least that is my view.
”Mearsheimer”
That is some pile of manure you've been posting. You need to have a long hard look at your life if you can't decipher who the bad guys in this is.
The Mearsheimer guff has been discredited multiple times on this thread. You haven't engaged with any of the rebuttals of it. At this stage he is lock stock and barrel a mouthpiece of Russian propaganda. Here is a rebuittal of what he gets wrong: Will you read the post, or will you continue to trot out the transparent "I don't know anything" tactic so you can continue repeating the same Russian lies?
perhaps the most glaring omission in Mearsheimer’s theory of the war is the role of Ukrainians themselves in determining the country’s future. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2023/10/john-mearsheimers-incorrect-views-on-everything
These are the same points you have on repeat since 2022.
The article you link about Ukraine and corruption dates from 2015. At the same time, you provide zero corresponding article for corruption in Russia. Do you care about corruption or not? Obviously not, or you would have looked for such information, or some more recent information. And you have in fact already (see post below) been provided more up to date info. Yet you still go back to 2015.Proof positive your posts are dishonest bad faith arguments.
These memory holes and feigned ignorance is a deliberate strategy for you to continue repeating the same out of date information, the same discredited sources. All the while continuing to repeat disingenuous lines like "Overall, I know very little about Russia or Ukraine." All your are "qualified to say" is to "just ask questions". Why are you asking the questions then? Qualified by whom?
Faux concern about Nazis, while ignoring anything to do with Russian use of Wagner Nazi mercenary scum. Drivel about Banderas, ignoring actual atrocities being committed by Nazis doing Russia's dirty work in Ukraine.
You dropped the same talking points last month, multiple posters rebutted them, you ignore the rebuttals and repeat them again and again.
Here's one example. A quick scan by anyone of the thread would find dozens of such examples.
Putin seems to be genuinely popular according to serious commentators but maybe the elections are rigged as people claim here.
"Elections"
As Mike Godwin (of Godwins Law fame) astutely said : Drawing Bayesian inferences after extensive sampling, I've determined that it's 99-percent certain that anyone who uses "woke" as pejorative will turn out to be a fuckhead. Please don't blame me for pointing this out--it's just science.
If the fact that two and a half years later Ukraine are still putting up a valiant defence is "not working out" for them, then how is it working out for Russia:
So all things being considered, Ukraine are in better shape than Russia. Russia might be taking the odd town on the battlefield at an enormous cost, but any hopes they had of leading the multipolar world are now gone. That is not to say that we aren't heading towards if not already in a multi polar world, it's just that Russia will not be one of those poles.
You claim to know little about Ukraine/Russia, yet you are producing the same script we've all seen here before many times.
This propaganda is so well known we have a bingo card for it and you're hitting them all one by one.
Anyway, here's yet another brief explainer.
Mearsheimer
Mearsheimer has highly controversial views, including pro-Russian, which have been widely criticised and debunked, for example:
https://euideas.eui.eu/2022/07/11/john-mearsheimers-lecture-on-ukraine-why-he-is-wrong-and-what-are-the-consequences/
Coup
There was no "coup" in 2014. Yanukovych, the Ukrainian leader, was elected on a pro-EU ticket. He raised a lot of red flags with his corruption but the last straw came when he u-turned on a pro-EU decision sending hundreds of thousands of protesters into the streets. He ordered his forces to shoot them resulting in deaths. Later he fled, the Ukrainian parliament removed him, and he was discovered to have been obscenely corrupt.
https://www.voanews.com/a/ukrainian-maidan-was-not-a-coup/6741774.html
Corruption
Ukraine has indeed had issues with corruption, but they are making systematic efforts to tackle it. Russia in contrast is highly corrupt and makes no effort.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq55rpqlp31o
Cherry-picking atrocities and incidents from the invasion.
Apart from some isolated incidents, Ukrainian forces have been highly disciplined and take extreme lengths to avoid civilian casualties and incidents. They treat Russian POWs well.
In contrast Russian forces systematically target civilians, and civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and schools. There are thousands of reports of torture and murder of civilians, as well as systematic abuse, torture and murder of Ukrainian POWs.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/russians-committing-rape-widespread-torture-ukrainians-report-finds/story?id=103465772
Nazi's
Ukraine, like every country, including Russia has a far right contingent. As mentioned, the far right received only a few percent of the vote in the election in Ukraine. Russia uses a mixture of propaganda and misinformation in order to amplify it to an extreme level. The equivalent of claiming that all of Ireland is comprised of "IRA terrorists".
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-5y1BhC-ARIsAAM_oKkopQIUo-6J60Iq_zelKdcv_ZqRZ2STR-5O_ZqWJY-MrNvumeCdvGkaAl-zEALw_wcB
Russian democracy.
In the nineties Russia briefly flirted with democracy, however since Putin got into power, freedoms have eroded and the country has gone from an autocracy to a dictatorship. Real opposition are threatened, put under house arrest, detained, poisoned or murdered. People who protest now, even in minor ways, can be imprisoned for years. He continues to operate behind a facade of democracy. He does enjoy a core of support in Russia but it's impossible to gauge how truly popular he is, not that it's relevant as he has cemented absolute power.
"Both sides"
Already explained. Note how you ignored the point and repeated the same blind argument.
"I just want the war to end"
Putin can end the war at any time by simply turning around. Appeasers and anti-Western individuals want the war to "end" by rewarding Putin's invasion with land.
And finally
"I don't know much about Russia or Ukraine" and "I just came across this today"
Certain individuals claim to know very little about the situation, yet by coincidence they are armed with the same preset links and tropes you've been using. We see this a lot among revisionists and people with set world views. To use an analogy it's the equivalent of someone claiming "not to know much" about the Holocaust, yet using a preset group of links and talking points only used by deniers.
It's an instant red flag.
How do you know very little about Ukraine and Russia but know not only the name of a relatively obscure Ukrainian nationalist from the 80+ years ago, but also know that that is a word used by Russians to denigrate Ukrainians?
"I am concerned citizen, who doesn't know much about the war, all I want is peace"
Proceeds to dump every piece of Russian propaganda with regards to the war..
You're hilarious @engineerws :-D
This ^
My vatnik bingo card is on fire today.
So is a German chemicals factory
14 injured
How many have to die before EU countries get serious about the threat that Russia and Russians are to civilised countries
They should all be banned along with all Israeli athletes too to send a clear message to genocidal governments
And Kursk
I’m holding my fire on this one. BASF’s Ludwigshafen plant (which is larger, and arguably prettier than the entire city of Ludwigshafen) has had similar issues before, not least in 2016, when a worker cut into a pipe containing flammable liquid with an angle grinder, with predictable results. I still have the emails from my late mom, who used to work across the Rhine in Mannheim, in which she described the resulting explosions rocking her workplace. Back then, the issue was attributed to a lax safety attitude on behalf of BASF management. I can post screenshots of those emails if you want, but they’re in German.
Speaking of which, local newspapers “Rheinpfalz”, “Mannheimer Morgen” and local TV station SWR now reporting 18 casualties, all described as light injuries. Apparently, some sort of “organic solvent” started leaking in one of the buildings, which triggered the explosions: https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/ludwigshafen/knall-und-rauchwolke-ueber-der-basf-100.html
Interesting details on the proxy wars elsewhere, including the Mali incident:
I'd suspect @engineerws will disappear for a few weeks now...
The cowardly apologist for murder rape & gonocide has turned up on the Venezuela election thread.
Far right & hard left all reading from the same hymn sheet
North Korean tech starting to appear
