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You would think someone who is involved with US military like yourself know better than to compare the sizes of third world militaries with ever older Soviet era equipment against modern NATO forces
Didn’t Iraq have a much larger number of men than all of NATO?
And that’s before we get to the elephant in the room, since when are any Russian figures and statistics on anything to be trusted?
Saying all that, IMHO fear of Russia is good (as long as it doesn’t paralyse countries into inaction like Germany in 2022), fear will drive countries to continue helping Ukraine, fear will continue to increase military budgets and industrial capacity and output, something that Russia can not hope to match.
Russians are playing with fire
organs deteriorate rapidly from deceased unless kept artificially alive. The question is, would the Nazi’s do it from live patients? Sure they would… so, would the Russians? Same answer.
Is it optimistic to assume they were used for deceased donor transplants? I'm not sure even the Russians would harvest organs from healthy POWs.
It's even more messed up when you consider that Hungary and Slovakia export electricity to Ukraine with Hungary claiming to provide as high as 42% of Ukraine's consumption.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/slovakia-hungary-threaten-ukraine-with-court-fight-over-blocked-oil-2024-07-24/
So pro-Russian Hungary, is providing Ukraine with electricity, some of which was generated using Russian oil, that was piped through Ukraine, who they invaded 2 years ago.
Not a great comparison, if you look at how many troops are actually deployable.
For example, the UK has one main warfighting division. 3rd Div. (1st in theory, but in reality major components would be attached to 3rd, 1st would become a command element for ther smaller nations). When plussed up, it would be able to put maybe 30,000 troops into Ukraine, not the 184,000 of the graph. When you realise that the 600,000 figure is of Russians forward deployed, that gives a notably different perspective on the numbers. Even the active US Army is ten divisions, plus Corps troops, maybe 300,000 soldiers in the line.
Isn't Slovakia producing and selling artillery shells for Ukraine?
Hungary on the other hand they had this coming.
In Irkutsk the electricity company has cut the power to four thousand homes. People affected say the plan is to get more volunteers to fight in Ukraine. Those affected say the power company hooks up those who join the military. Fifty people had a protest against the company in Truda Square in the city.
Your figures don't seem to include the armed forces of Ukraine which have 900,000 active soldiers according to this source:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/
This puts some putin fan boy predictions of swelling of moskovyte terrorist numbers in Ukraine leading to imminent collapse in the defensive lines of the armed forces of Ukraine in a bit more perspective in my opinion. As the attacking force putin's terrorists are likely to be sustaining multiple times the losses being sustained by Ukrainian forces so it seems to me that any numbers advantage putin might think he has now will not be sustained into the conflict in the longer term.
This is good news. The Russians have shown that they will infringe on these countries borders. Romania are defending both their own borders and the Ukraine too in the process.
Well lads,
This is interesting, let's get more confirmation
Russia is there for the taken, full scale invasion I say. 😅
The only thing I don't get about the thought of direct conflict with Russia possibly in 3 years is Russia won't be in a position for it. It will take them probably about 10 years to get their army back into a proper shape to be trained and armed to be in a position to fight Nato. I sometimes wonder do these generals just say this to get more funding for their own army which is fine.
To answer your question why would Russia be putting those kinda numbers in Ukraine, because Putin is going all in. He's like a gambler, just throwing good money after bad... Or in this case soldiers. He can't back down or he'll loose his tough guy image. He'll have to admit his SMO was a failure etc...
We've seen how Russians take small towns, endless supply of cannon fodder. 690k is probably about 10 towns worth of fodder.
Then there's this from the UK:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/russia-will-take-five-years-to-capture-four-ukrainian-regions-if-they-carry-on-as-they-are-uk-army-head-13184268
Based on recent comments from the UK, there is a line of thought among military leadership that expects to be in direct conflict with Russia within 3 years irrespective of the outcome in Ukraine. Western politicians currently seem to prefer conducting the war from a distance, through someone else, through investing money and so on, but at the moment they are not ready for direct conflict. Why would Russia be putting that number of men in Ukraine?, that is a huge logistics operation. The Russian leadership are probably anticipating the longer the Ukraine campaign drags on without significant victories, the more likely the direct conflict becomes. What does victory look like for the Russians given the current state of their army and economy? 690,000 personnel suggests they are preparing for a break in the lines by stretching the Ukrainians, they can push their army through rapidly and get behind the Ukrainian defense lines which collapse.
Here is the number of active military personnel in Europe, if you strip away US and Turkey and Canada you still endup with a larger number than above (and these countries are not mobilised)
source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/584286/number-of-military-personnel-in-nato-countries/
The Ukranian soldiers would be alive when the organs are removed.
Russia to Station 690,000 Troops in Ukraine by End of 2024, Surpassing Numbers of All European Armies
Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi gave a major interview to The Guardian. In it, he discussed the increasing number of Russian troops present in Ukraine. According to him, the Russian grouping currently exceeds 520,000 soldiers. By the end of the year, according to Syrskyi, the number of Russian soldiers in Ukraine will increase by 30%, reaching 690,000. source
It's a numbers game at thiis stage. The Russians have been attriting the Ukrainians men and equipment for two years, who don't have the numbers to make up losses, the defense lines that the Ukrainians have built are a formidable obstacle, eventually they will crumble and with enough men the Russian commanders will be expecting to breakout and exploit the collapse.
Some good news on that
A morally bankrupt and depraved nation.
Utterly disgusting practice.
It's unlikely Orbán will ever take Hungary out of the EU imo.
His usefulness to Russia and China (and maybe USA under Trump or someone similar) is the Hungarian membership of the EU and his veto power over the European Council.
If they exit they are about as useful as Belarus or Serbia.
There is no way that Putin and Xi are selfless and kind enough to step up and replace all of the forfeited CAP and EU structural funding (and inward investment) for a country and a leader that has actually become much less useful to them both!
On the oil stuff, Orbán knows the EU policy, and has been bucking that for years to increase purchases of Russian oil. I think they also decided to have Russia build them a new nuclear reactor post invasion of Ukraine.
If his decisions start to blow up in Hungary's face there is no way the EU is going to go to bat for him and help him oppose the EUs own policies!
Maybe he can ask Putin to use Russia's advanced teleportation technology to get oil to Hungary!
More on the Hungary, Ukraine, Russian oil saga
It seems everyone is so tired of Orban they pushing Hungary to Huxit which would solve a lot of issues in EU
No spuds, spuds used to make vodka, Lada blown up by drone
Have a bag of onions for your son
Да, такова жизнь
suppose a Lada and a boot full of spuds be out of the question…?
UK must be ready for war in three years, head of British Army warns
While stressing that conflict was not inevitable, General Sir Roly Walker predicted that Russian President Vladimir Putin will emerge from his invasion of Ukraine "very, very dangerous" and "wanting retribution" against countries like the UK that supported the Ukrainian armed forces, whether Moscow wins or loses. source
The boiling frog treatment continues as conflicts drive global military spending to record high. 2027 is only 3 years away.
That's pretty fcuked up if it's true. Messing about with the dead is also a war crime, so add one more to the ever-lengthening list.
russians harvesting organs from fallen Ukrainians now
Not all so great , several hundred Ukrainians likely trapped near avdivka,
https://daxe.substack.com/p/a-ukrainian-brigade-collapsed-outside?r=7jgcu&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
There's a large crossover of these posters who are pro Trump supporters in other threads. There's alot of mentally ill people who have swallowed the bumpf of putins troll farms hook, line and sinker.
Very difficult for Putin to understand the message that invading a country is futile. Over 100,000 russians dead now because of Putin. And they'd still be here today if he'd just have spent the money on improving the infrastructure and living conditions of Russians instead of crossing into Ukraine.
