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Yes and thats why I dont see a single govt party in the forseeable future.
There isn't today (and doesnt look like being in the near future) a single party that could muster the majority of electorate support.
I think most people expected them to go into government together though,even though it was a case of I'll believe it when I see it
All moot and ancient history today though isn't it given the co co's,EU's and polls,anyone voting for them next election know exactly what they are voting for and if a minority end up disagree'ing,that would be democracy,they'll have to suck it up
Mostly down to the amount of parties we have, we don't have a US like system when you have 2 choices and that's it
We have always had multiple parties in ireland that people can vote for, the fact people voted in the majority for FF or FG was becuase they represented the people the best, they had alternatives and didn't vote for them
How do you think FG first preference voters were realistically hoping the party would get back into government, if not through some form of agreement with FF? It's not as though they could have been under any illusions about Varadkar's willingness to do that deal, if they were at all politically tuned in
Yep and I think FFG will still form the next government, at minimum.
A lot of people question why FF and FG are not distinguishing themselves from one another; but if they are going to form coalition govts anyway, how much does it really matter how different they are, when in the end they still form a unified govt.
If they form it, that will because they have the majority of the votes from people.
FF and FG do distinguish themselves the online push coming from other parties is they don't. Just ignore the noise
Where did I say I objected to the Crown Paints development?
That aside, its not what Denmark have done - the asylum centers in Denmark are very different, as I outlined in my post on the previous page.
Bzzzt. Wrong again. I was waiting for you to pull up another incorrect link.
The Asylum Procedures directive doesn't say Ireland can't refuse asylum seekers.
I'll give you a rather relevant direct quote from the official EU site here to save you further embarrassing yourself by trying to pull more up form Google:
"However, there is no EU obligation for Ireland to take in refugees as it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on individual proposals in the areas of freedom, security and justice through the EU Treaty of Lisbon."
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/strategy-and-priorities/key-eu-policies-ireland/eu-migration-policy-and-ireland_en
Denmark received 21,315 asylum seekers before they brought in their suite of anti-asylum measures, including the €20,000eur repatriation offer. They received 2479 in 2023. I posted those figures below.
They had a temporary post-covid increase in 2022 as did everywhere in Europe, but they've still had a 90% decline overall. Because they brought in effective anti-migration policies. And they've had no problems doing so while a member of the EU.
Which means our government, if they were competent, could copy the Danish policies word for word and bring them in tomorrow. The policies been proven to be fully EU policy compliant, and to be dramatically effective in the real world. But our government haven't, because they apparently are either too incompetent or too unwilling to reduce our rapidly increasing number of asylum seekers.
How do they distinguish themselves? I'd say FF FG and even SF are nearly all the same
nearly all the same is not the same
If SF are the same why vote for them when they have no experience in Ireland, when running Northern ireland they have been a huge disaster :-)
Except when you look at their policies they are not the same. Hence why differnet parties, as I said the idea is pushed by SF supporters and nobody else.
The LE results support my claim. Less votes isn't a point, it's a fact.
I've never lied once. You see a question or opinion you don't like and lash out.
You said people were being driven to FF/FG. I mentioned they got less votes in the last LE than the previous time. I asked what about people who voted for FF because they were promised no FG?
I find myself constantly repeating simple comments and questions you'd rather twist than answer. You could always just not bother responding.
FF and FG partnering up was a last ditch desperate effort to keep business as usual. They did nothing new as we drift further into crisis. The most telling part is FF and FG talking up FF/FG like a party the country is getting behind. It will be interesting to see how any floating voters who decided on FF over FG, react in the next GE.
I don't think there's enough FF and FG masquerading as independents to do away with the need for a third patsy party. I can't see anyone except maybe Labour being so out of touch and greedy, (as the Greens won't have enough seats to be in contention) to take the job.
You'd bet your life on the Soc Dems not slidinging into that slot?
While I don't know Holly personally, I would be surprised and disgusted if they supported another FF/FG sham.
I saw earlier that FG are as democratic as ever - not even respecting their own members (again!):
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41442508.html
Each candidate made their pitch to a packed conference room at the Cork Airport International Hotel, but party members reacted angrily when minister of state Jennifer Carroll MacNeill opened an envelope and read a directive from party headquarters which stated that two candidates should be chosen, and that one should be from the Carrigaline area.It effectively meant that Carrigaline-based councillor Úna McCarthy, the only female candidate, would be added to the ticket, irrespective of how members voted.
Each candidate made their pitch to a packed conference room at the Cork Airport International Hotel, but party members reacted angrily when minister of state Jennifer Carroll MacNeill opened an envelope and read a directive from party headquarters which stated that two candidates should be chosen, and that one should be from the Carrigaline area.
It effectively meant that Carrigaline-based councillor Úna McCarthy, the only female candidate, would be added to the ticket, irrespective of how members voted.
I have always said people can vote for who they want and I discuss a political parties policies. You lied, not the first time. It's constant
Yes the online supporter group of one particular party is supposed to be attracting voters to them yet their online antics is doing the opposite. The leader of the party in question called them "pig ignorant"
You constantly repeat nonsense, when someone calls you out on it you start off with the snide comments. Vicious circle isn't it
Money that the health area in particular could use desperately
The big bucks salaries should be cut for on air "talent" and management
Drones
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41442973.html
You think the HSE is in need of money?
What has RTE to do with the HSE? they are totally different departments. Even if RTE budget is cut do you think that means the answer is push more money into the HSE?
More staff, more beds and less closures are needed in healthcare, less fake promises from government
The Asylum Procedures provides the EU legislation around the treatment of refugees and how refugees seeking asylum must have their claim processed.
Article 4:
Member States shall designate for all procedures a determining authority which will be responsible for an appropriate examination of applications in accordance with this Directive.
Article 6
1. When a person makes an application for international protection to an authority competent under national law for registering such applications, the registration shall take place no later than three working days after the application is made.
Ireland opted into this Directive in 2011 ans transposed it in 2015. They are legally required to process asylum applications.
Again, your data shows that when Denmark introduced the €20,000 reward it lead to an increase in asylum seekers post Covid. Suggesting the government bring in a policy that has lead to an increase in asylum seekers seems a bizarre suggestion.
Not only that, but you completely fail to state what Denmark were providing and how that changed post 2015. Prior to 2015, an asylum seekers in Denmark was paid just over €1,500 per month. In September 2015, this was reduced to €797 per month. Of course there numbers dropped like a stone after that. In comparison, Ireland currently pays an asylum seeker €155 per month.
But what has that to do with RTE?
The government cowardly ran away from the finding RTE issue. It was even in their 2020 program for government. It's clear the FFG ministers blocked the reform at cabinet. A year talking about it and loads of reports and then nothing. A blank cheque bailout.
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41443147.html
“I think the backlash will only be the start of a rift and more serious division in the party.”
Shane O’Callaghan and Una McCarthy were selected as Fine Gael’s flag bearers in Cork South Central, which is now a five seater.
Neither will get a preference vote from me, don't want to see simon back in a leadership position.
@Augme In late 2025, this was reduced to €797 per month.
Are you predicting that?
But it's good for all society, what a pile of bs
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/media-minister-says-three-year-funding-plan-for-rte-will-serve-all-of-society-1653772.html
😂, I'm good, but not that good. Amended now.
The other option was to subsume RTÉ funding into general taxes
No government was going to agree to that in an election year
Ironically the hated hereabouts greens wanted that but if they'd have got it,there'd still be a chorus of complaint from the 'RTÉ is the virus' crowd
It's paying for favouritism. Plain and simple.
It's not obvious to me that that would go down worse with the voters than what they have actually done.
