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+1 to this ^
Is fuath liom iad, gach uile duine acu.
Loiscreán orthu go léir.
Nice pictures from Mordor
This is the operandi of Russia from Chechnya, Georgia to Syria.
There's probably a military playbook on when aid is seen to be delivered to rain mortars for the sake of terrorism and nothing else.
It is an unusual agreement for Russia - they can't really afford to anger India, so they might actually have to follow it.
10h ago13.09 CEST
An update from Reuters on Narendra Modi’s visit to Moscow:
Indian prime minister Narendra Modi told Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday that the death of innocent children was painful and terrifying, a day after a lethal strike on a children’s hospital in Kyiv.The pointed remark by the visiting Indian leader was an implicit rebuke to Putin, who moments earlier had welcomed him to the Kremlin with a warm statement on the importance of the strategic ties between the two countries.Ukraine says it has recovered fragments of a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile at the children’s hospital, which was hit on Monday during a wave of Russian attacks that killed at least 41 Ukrainians across the country.Russia said, without providing evidence, that it was a Ukrainian anti-missile system that struck the hospital.“Whether it is war, conflict or a terrorist attack, any person who believes in humanity, is pained when there is loss of lives,” Modi said.“But even in that, when innocent children are killed, the heart bleeds and that pain is very terrifying.”It was not the first time that Modi has appeared to criticise Russia over its actions in Ukraine. In September 2022, he told Putin that “today’s era is not an era of war”, and Putin said at that time he understood Modi’s concerns.India, however, has not condemned Russia’s invasion and has taken the opportunity to buy record amounts of discounted Russian oil as sanctions have decimated Moscow’s trade with the west.
Indian prime minister Narendra Modi told Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday that the death of innocent children was painful and terrifying, a day after a lethal strike on a children’s hospital in Kyiv.
The pointed remark by the visiting Indian leader was an implicit rebuke to Putin, who moments earlier had welcomed him to the Kremlin with a warm statement on the importance of the strategic ties between the two countries.
Ukraine says it has recovered fragments of a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile at the children’s hospital, which was hit on Monday during a wave of Russian attacks that killed at least 41 Ukrainians across the country.
Russia said, without providing evidence, that it was a Ukrainian anti-missile system that struck the hospital.
“Whether it is war, conflict or a terrorist attack, any person who believes in humanity, is pained when there is loss of lives,” Modi said.
“But even in that, when innocent children are killed, the heart bleeds and that pain is very terrifying.”
It was not the first time that Modi has appeared to criticise Russia over its actions in Ukraine. In September 2022, he told Putin that “today’s era is not an era of war”, and Putin said at that time he understood Modi’s concerns.
India, however, has not condemned Russia’s invasion and has taken the opportunity to buy record amounts of discounted Russian oil as sanctions have decimated Moscow’s trade with the west.
Modi should condem russia once he's safely home and cut ties with them altogether
I've seen many reports online even from Ukrainian bloggers that the missiles that hit that hospital were rogue anti missile, missiles rather than Russia targeting those places. If my memory serves me this isn't the first time Ukrainian anti aircraft missiles have gone amuck.
I also seen reports they should set the systems up outside the cities to catch the Russian missiles when they are heading into the city so even if they run amuck they will just hit empty spaces.
Makes sense. Madness having these systems in the city centre where rogue missiles can hit hospitals and residential buildings.
Your funny
How am I being funny. Setting up dangerous missiles in the city centre. Sure that's asking for trouble, set them up on the outskirts to catch them on the way in and if they go rogue they will hit empty spaces. Does that not make sense?
Don't feed the trolls. It takes quite a sick type of troll to accuse the Ukrainians of attacking their own children's hospital when putin has a record of his military attacking hospitals and the evidence for the contrary troll's argument is a vague claim they've seen some blogs on the internet. Here is a politician pictured at the UN holding some real evidence of russian missile debris being excavated from the hospital site where putin murdered more children and innocent civilians:
Putin could have his forces send a guided cruise missile straight at a children's hospital, and you'd find a way to shift blame away from Putin. Not just that but you'd invent a way to blame Ukraine.
Oh wait, that's literally what you just did..
Link these reports online because they're wrong. There's irrefutable evidence a number of russian missiles hit the city centre.
Another thing that could prevent civilian casualties would be Russia not attacking civilian targets like cities, but since Russia is a terrorist state, that's not going to happen.
Scolded in public, Putin didn't like that I bet.
How do you know a russian robot paid account?
Because after all these years of Putin a human would know how Putin operates and knows he's the devil incarnate representative of all the evil of the kremlin and would not try and defend him.
Modern air defence missiles have a self destruct mechanism for when it loses a target. Also, you can see from the trajectory of the impact, it didn't look like it was out of control when falling to the ground. Finally, there's pictures of the missile debris, you can clearly see parts that look nothing like an air defence interceptor. It's almost certainly a Russian missile.
The only question is whether it was deliberately targeted at the hospital or not. This doesn't appear likely. The real target appears to be the offices of Zavod Artem, an arms company office 2km away that got hit with multiple missiles at the same time. It's still the fault of the Russians, it was still their missile, regardless of whether it malfunctioned.
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Would you also criticize rape victims for fighting back the wrong way in a struggle and hurting themselves in the process?
Not that I think a single line of your disgusting, disingenuous Kremlin scutter is plausible.
Not a word from you about the terrorist country actually firing the initial missile at a pediatric cancer ward?
You, are beyond the pale.
Russians starve their prisoners of war. They castrate their prisoners of war. They kill their own with sledgehammers and film it for sport. They rape the women of the countries they invade wholesale. Kill those when they get tired of them. They target humanitarian centres such as civic theatres and town halls to kill those civilians sheltering there. They run concentration/filtering camps and eliminate those they see as the enemy. They go through villages and bring the men onto the street and kill them with their hands tied. They target hospitals in Ukraine, Syria back to Chechnya.
That's the life of Putin.
Fairly obvious the rabbit hole of obliviation that the Russian state is descending into.
Men shall earn more than women. Women will not back chat to men. Women will only get equal rights if they provide two children to the regime.
tbh, for such human excrement like Putin, this is the way to go
What a little squirming weasel Putin is.
Also a coward who acts the big man but when Prigozin was coming for him he fled like a coward in his private airplane.
Now compare that to Zelensky when the Russians were knocking on the doors of Kyiv….
He wasn't scolded at all.
I think Modi has basically sucking up to him. His trade with Russia helps facilitate the war, and by extension these murders of innocent children.
I do understand that the average incomes in India are very low and without fuel and energy etc. they'd have huge problems. But that was not a scolding.
Good point!
Look Luna, we know this was a russian missile, we know, you know it was a russian missile. But in a parallel universe where this missile was Ukr, then the blame-fault-responsibility-condemnation is still 100% owned by russia, they invaded another country and history will show russia lost, they paid for all the damage, thats a given. But it most likely will record this war was the catalyst that caused the death and break-up of russia into many small countries. Its just the russians, like yourself, that havent figured this all out yet, but you will. The rot is from the inside out.
Military deaths. Doesn't include civilians as I don't think its a relevant comparator in the context of this war which is being fought entirely on Ukrainian soil.
So many reputable reports that you can't link to any of them into your post. A post that is beyond pathetic, actually disgusting.
I'm not sure the relevance of comparing things like that.
Russia also lost over 125k soldiers in about 3 months when it tried to invade little Finland in 1939. To a few lads zipping about on skis and a bit of cold weather.
Lost over a million in 6 month as well defending one city (Stalingrad) which can also be viewed out of context.
This is the most plausible explanation for what happened IMO.
Russia is a terrorist state and is absolutely responsible for every life lost at that hospital on yet another despicable act in this war. The missile was Russian and everyone knows this, despite what the troll comes in to say differently, without any evidence whatsoever.
However I do not believe they would have knowingly and deliberately targeted a hospital full of sick children, only because it damages them more to do it. I don't think Putin would have wanted this to happen when Modi was visiting and then to get a vague rebuttal from Modi over it.
I'm inclined to trust Bellingcat a hell of a lot more than your vague claims... Any reason why you haven't linked to said blogs btw?
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2024/07/09/russian-missile-identified-in-kyiv-childrens-hospital-attack/
Hard to know, with the depravity of Russia/their military. It is (if as reported) one of their better cruise missiles, likely a brand new one, so possibility is there it was deliberate rather than a failure.
Russia hasn't shown much scruples about missile-striking and bombing hospitals.
It looks like it is/was a big and very fancy + quite modern piece of infrastructure in Kyiv (now successfully ruined, or at least seriously damaged?) so maybe that is enough for it to go on their target list, if they found a chink in the air defence and were able to get a missile through onto it.
