Please use this thread to continue discussing the war in Ukraine.
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What does the change to a carbon neutral economy mean for Russia?
Even without their unrepresentative political system (that USA seems to be envious of ) is their source of oncome going down the tubes as demand for oil collapses in the short to medium and long term?
How long before anyone , anywhere stops buying their oil?
What does their economy have left then?
It's hard not to draw parallels to the past. Imperial Russia and WW1. The Soviet Union and Afghanistan. Imagine the Yes men in the Kremlin will spin the conflict as long as they can. Behind the scenes, who knows?
I'm becoming more and more convinced that this war will be the end of Russia.
Seems to be no end to Ukraine attacking Russian oil facilities and no pushback from the west. Wasn't so long ago rumors were swirling that the US was against it.
It's great to see Ukraine sanctioning Russian oil and bringing the war to Russia in a way.
Russian oil continues to burn
You'll see all those articles and click links on the Russian local and national websites. They are the ones where your internet security system severely warns you that they are phishing for information and introducing viruses. They are full time at it with the spam and about half is news you could take seriously even still with a Russian slant. I'd say most Russians use a hidden vpn to look at foreign news outlets and now the Russian bots are even targeting those for home consumption and unwary abroad.
When Russian control of a President backfires.
When will the world wake up?
How do they still get away with it.
russian insidiousness is everywhere
Project 2025 is very real and should scare everyone as essentially it boils down to a gutting of the US federal government and a centralizing of power with the president which combined with the authoritarians on their supreme court giving the president immunity ends whats left of democracy in the US and turns it into an authoritarian state with a dictator at its head.
If the soap manufacturer turned warlord has an army of Guardians marching on Chicago at some stage in the future then I will be worried. A talking shop for assorted right wing nutters isn't all that surprising these days. Sure to see more about agenda 2025 in the forthcoming months.
Gilead? It won't be for want of trying from groups like The Claremont Institute and SACR. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/claremont-institute-society-for-american-civic-renewal-links
I'm sure there was similar fear mongering over Biden and for instance, open society foundations. It makes a nice point to fire up bases. Don't see it resulting in Gilead in a hypothetical second Trump term.
As regards Russia, imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to appeal to the man's ego. Phrase it as winning a war that Biden wasn't able to and he would probably be on board.
Would certainly agree with you as regards the predictability.
Pizzagate had as much traction and more air time. It is the mindset that is the same.
lol I think that is unfair. Unlike "Pizzagate", "Project 2025" does exist as a lobby group/think tank (Heritage foundation?) plan within the US Republicans afaik (I have not read details of these plans though). Whether Trump will listen to or appoint people involved in it if he wins power, and how much of their agenda get put into practice can't be known at this point. He is not exactly predictible either.
https://x.com/TrumpFile/status/1808918134465737084
Trump won't?(obvs if he gets in)
Any references?
Don’t you worry, that’s not happening.
Sorry wrong words I used, more abandoned. I just hope Ukraine doesn't end up being yesterday's news.
The potential downside to this is that it’s destabilising. Sometimes this can provoke more cynical, risky, & reckless policies.
And before people try to argue the west will force Ukraine, remember 80 countries signed the recent peace summit which had:
territorial integrity of all states, including Ukraine, within their internationally recognized borders
I'd argue it's more dangerous for the west to force Ukraine into accepting Russia's claim to their annexed lands than it is for funding Ukraine for another upteen years. Or how ever long this war will last.
They won’t be forced to accept anything they don’t want to.
Crazy amount they have lost there. It's more I worry will Ukraine be able to retake what they lost or will they be forced to accept a peace deal they don't want to accept and lose land that Russia illegally occupies. I can just see this grounding on years and years this conflict.
Those kind of losses are not sustainable
Project 2025 is the new Pizzagate.
Personally I think it's based in anti-liberal feelings due the foothold anti-western propaganda managed to attain before the invasion. Orban no doubt has his own arrangements with Putin also and is taking lessons on how to slowly turn his country into an authoritarian one on a wave of manipulated Nationalism.
That’s … an unfortunate … ending right there
I am old enough to remember same line used during Cold War
History delivered an ending to Soviets that Hollywood couldn’t dream up
Same or much worse will happen again to Russians as this time the foundations are even more flimsy and there is no ideology to bring the weak minded far left along.
It's always money and probably some komprimat hold on him personally or threat to his family someway.
There's always long term planning with the Putin administration or else we wouldn't have need for the dictatorship. Short term is crap. But long term plans come to fruition now and again. Put enough long term plans in place and they'll keep popping into place every day of the year and every year on.
The threat of being the baddest actor and getting away with poisoning, killing abroad and no reprocussions after and being in control of underground organisations as prostitution and so forth brings immense power and leverage against any who they'd like to control.
