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Militarily, the US have left Europe standing.
This is not true either.
A huge amount of the early military aid was ex-Warsaw Pact military material that the Ukrainian forces could make quick use of. Even today there are more tanks, air defence etc coming from Europe than the US.
No one has been above reproach and everyone has delayed and prevaricated at times (general exception for Poland and the Baltics there). It's not a competition anyway.
Fascinating article about Kadyrov hastily marrying off his underage sons.
He's trying to bind them to rival clans in the hope that it guarantees their safety after he dies.
It reads like something out of Game of Thrones.
What they promise is quickly delivered, a lot of what many in Europe promise is always on the long finger.
Things have improved in the last 6 months, no doubt.
It was however America, Britain, a few in eastern Europe that kept Ukraine going.
Problem now is that western Europe is basically bereft of weaponry. Germany planning to have a 1000 field guns by 2035 and that's part of a rearmament campaign. That wouldn't last months in a war.
If China acts up, or some loopers in the middle east they'll only have America alone to face because Europe has thrown in the towel in defense and Ukraine must be worried at the soft belly behind to it's west.
It's enemies have not.
And what else could you expect from Putins Mafia? The truth??? You will be waiting a very long time. And Russians, whether they believe it or not, are currently unable to do much about it. But there is widespread disillusion creeping in amongst Russians regarding Putin and his SMO. When you put rising taxes and increased working hours without extra pay into the pot, it does not take long to reach the boiling point.
The frequency and insistence of these "peace" proponents lately does give me some hope that the Kremlin are running a bit scared at the moment.
I suspected this would start happening more if we got to a time where the Russians felt that they had gotten to a point where they might not be able to gain any futher signifigant objectives and are hoping to hold onto what they have. We might be there now, or this might just be them trying to buy time until they hope for Trump's brand Nazism to take control of the US and become their ally. Part of me suspects that the Kharkiv offensive was also an attempt to buy time. Naturally capturing the city was also likely a goal, but staying any attempted Ukrainian counter-offensive with their new kit might be high on the Russian priority list.
Ukraine still have a hard fight ahead, and the goal currently should be to outlast the Russians, but the frequency of "peace" messaging from Putin's fan-club gives me some hope.
There will a peace eventually silverharp, let's pray it's sooner rather than later 🙏
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Never happened
"There should be peace"
"Assuming players"
"Bad diplomacy"
The language and choice of words here. As someone with an interest in history this reminds me of those individuals during WW2 who advocated for peace with Hitler. There's an almost child-like innocence to it. Fairy-tale notions that rewarding him with land and appeasement would lead to peace
Are you posting on the wrong thread ? Are you sure you're not meaning to post on the House Of The Dragon thread ?
You're unwilling to even admit Russia is committing genocide. Allowing Russia to continue to occupy any portion of Ukraine puts those who aren't viewed as Russian enough in danger. It puts their children in danger of kidnapping to be "Russified" but you won't discuss these aspects of why continued occupation in any guise couldn't be considered to be peace.
You're a disingenuous poster if you won't talk about what the peace you envisage would resemble.
'Bad diplomacy' would be mistaking peace for surrender.
You can spot from miles away the pro Russian/old Marxists/anti American/"just asking questions" while getting answers from Kremlin spin types. They pretty much never answer direct questions that they can't slither out of, they wheel out the exact same talking points, reference the exact same pro Kremlin talking heads and even use similar phrases said talking heads use.
Though it's not as obvious as a "waif in their underwear" a good and long standing example is along the lines of "Time will tell/let's wait and see". That got wheeled out soon after Russian forces got kicked back from Kiev and the north and used normally as a way to deflect from both their obvious failures and knotty questions. If you read "time will tell" you can pretty much guarantee the flavour of Kool Aid they've been drinking.
Are you willing to admit that Russia's motive is to annihilate the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign country? And they are committing genocide in their quest to do that? Until you admit those, your fake peace wishes will be treated as the joke they are.
There should be peace, its the dog not barking, nothing conspiracy about it. assuming players have motives isnt conspiracy, its just pointing out bad diplomacy
I've heard zero confirmation on this for last night. Lots of arguing, but nothing definite.
I thought it was the Irish specialty, hypocritically criticising everything.
We as Irish people certainly can't blame the US when we won't send lethal aid ourselves. We can't criticise anyone really, except those countries who have actively helped Russia.
As time goes on it strikes me that we got a taste for opting out after WWII. Britain sends the RAF and its navy to ward the Russians off of Ireland, we leave them at it, it's a bit of a disgrance.
The US have contributed more than probably all other countries combined
They have not, it's not even that close.
Putin is going to hold out and pray for a republican presidential victory.
The Republican party, or at least Trump's sycophantic wing of it, were actively blocking Biden's attempts to send aid. And trying to justify that with lies and misinformation and virtual Russian propaganda. Big difference.
And let's not forget Trump as President, with holding aid to Ukraine because they wouldn't go along with his sham investigations.
Zero regard for Ukraine, zero regard for US national security.
That was utterly shameful conduct.
And the US has a moral obligation to assist, as part of Budapest Agreement, which it encouraged Ukraine to sign.
We cannot be relying on the Republican party or the US to keep Ukraine afloat. The US have contributed more than probably all other countries combined - and all this for a country on the other side of the world.
The European response has been more shameful as we're the ones in the line of fire. Admittedly things are starting to improve but I'm reluctant to accuse the US of lack of support. They have no obligation to provide any support and like any other country, there are other/domestic ways they can spend that money.
Yeah this was absolute BS
I know what you mean, but I’d be hard pressed to describe Russia as a great nation.
That's the genius of Russian propaganda though. They know that there are many flavours of absolute fulching idiot out there and their propaganda firehose sprays wide so that all the idiots can latch on to the flavour that fits their beliefs. It doesn't need to be consistent, nor is it.
And those are exactly the sort of posts we are talking about.
It would be more accurate to say you cannot defend your posts and the inconsistencies and contradictions in them.
Anyone who genuinely hopes for more aid for Ukraine and for Ukraine to drive Russia back would have zero issue in either showing those posts or clarifying their position.
But nope.
In their absence, we can conclude the criticisms by multiple posters here towards the agenda in your posts are valid.
You are fooling no one here with your posts.
Your claims have no credibility.
It's not up to me to show you anything.
I'm not here to defend myself. Have a nice evening
The ground assaults may have overall ground to a halt, but unfortunately their air assaults haven't,
Nope thats based on the content of your posts and your baffling one liners and continued evasions of simple followup questions.
Grand so. You want to show us your posts complaining about Republicans and Trump in the US holding up aid to Ukraine? Any post showing support for when aid and backing is given.
In their absence your claims have no credibility.
Because what we see in this thread your actual posts bsuggests it is a mere pretence.
Can't stand Putin or any of his cronies but if you think that is true that's on you.
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