Please use this thread to continue discussing the war in Ukraine.
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You can't answer simple questions. You're not interested in reasonable discussions. You refuse to provide respected evidence/ links to substantiate your claims. You post cryptic replies when you've been backed into a corner on your posts.
Everything points to you simply being a troll at this stage.
What do you think you're achieving? Do you hope to sway new posters/ readers towards the pro-Russian/ anti-West viewpoint? Are you happy to see yourself as a kind of martyr to the cause for continuing to post here with no ambition of actually proving a point any more, just to get shot down every time?
It's bizarre. Your posts don't even resemble coherent English at this point.
Switzerland of the East they were known as
I'm not sure that they even have those words in Russia..
You won't even admit genocide is happening. You're basically ignoring a substantial issue that makes peace pretty improbable.. So you're definitely not seeing the whole field, you can't even vaguely describe what peace would resemble...
Switzerland has multiple agreements and treaties with the EU.
When Ukraine tried to sign such agreements with the EU, Russia in violation of the Budapest Agreement, applied economic pressure to Ukraine and threatened a trade blockade.
So, you have given an example which discredits your argument.
its just a barrage of group think, nothing to be gained, everything is 1938 and Putin is hitler dont you know.Ill bet that people like David Sacks have a better handle on things and that there is a lot more to this than US=Good , Russia=bad
Time will tell
And when there are sufficient Nrs of implanted Russians, they will again hold another referendum, and invite western observers to observe it.
Do you think Russia are misunderstood in terms of their invasion, kidnapping of children and outright genocide? The US is not responsible for the invasion in spite of the line you're trying to push. And it's not a time will tell scenario.... Will time also make genocide not so bad?
What do you think that fool's going to do that will help, if he gets in again?
(To answer my own question) I'm guessing you expect or hope he will cut off all the US support (miltary and economic) to Ukraine and tell them they are on their own.
To understate somewhat (!)…I don't think this policy is as clever as you believe it is.
Someone living with his family in the EU wishing this to happen (the election of Trump and a pro-Russia US admin. and the end of US support to Ukraine) looks a bit like a turkey voting for Christmas to me!
Not that it would be the first time attacking their own people..they have always done it historically, this is just the most recent event.
Hahahaha David Sacks. Oh my sides. Your usual incoherence is one thing but this is next level.
I think that they were so cocksure of their ownership after they invaded Crimea, they never thought that it would be questioned. And after a year or two Russian civilians become confident enough to buy property and to move there.(now who they paid for these property's is another question) And they did, large nrs of them. Only now, it doesn't seem like such a good idea! Be very interesting to read any Crimean Property's for sale magazine.
Russia is indeed a great country, and that's very true. BUT only for an extremely small Nr of people. It was said that if you were unhappy in your own country, go and live in Russia for a while. Then when you come back home, you will be a very happy man !!
in fairness you should look back at this thread when it was obvious that the Summer Offensive of 23 had failed back back in July, the easiest way to get likes was to disagree well into Oct/Nov, predictive of outcomes this thread isnt unless it used as a counterindicator ;-)
None of that makes your borderline Russian propoganda talking points true
Ukraine was neutral and the majority was against joing NATO prior to 2014. Even still, joining NATO wasnt immediately on the cards in Jan, 2022. It was only after the full scale and catastrophically incompetent* invasion that the tide turned and Ukraine was set on the path of seriously considering joining NATO. Prior to that it was just ond option, and an unpopular one.
I dont really know what you mean by Trump shaking the sandbox. It was Trump who supplied weaponry to Ukraine from Jan 2017 to Jan 2021.
Europeans have very clear ideas. Billions in aid have been given and European arms manufacturing has been increased to meet demand in an increasingly difficult world.
So you dont want to engage in debate, but instead make vague assertions that are wrong or at the very least misleading?
*the one exception to this is in killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, which is an area that the Russian armed forces truly excel at.
Think it's fair to conclude you're not willing to admit Russia are committing genocide... If you can't even recognize that much, it's fair to say you're not very realistic and likely full on buy into Russian propaganda.
Putin targets a supermarket chain warehouse in Odessa with a missile strike.
its a loaded term Im pro Israel in a way that im nor even "pro Russia" , I just want the war in Ukraine to end, only the Yanks and China are winning this one
Seriously ? - all pretence is gone now - just blatant pro rus rubbish. Time to give it up and pass the buck to the next in line.
Don't you mean the February offensive of 22 has failed ?
So you're denying genocide is occurring? Cause that's how it reads which is definitely you following a Russia line on it.
We all want the war to end, the Ukrainians more than anyone, but we aren't making excuses and trying to shift blame from the invader.
We aren't parroting this fake Clare Daly, Mick Wallace "I just want the war to end" spiel while muttering Putin talking points out the other.
Up to 1.4 billion of interest from Russian frozen assets has been approved. Orban of course tried to block it but they were ready for that, it doesn't come from EU taxpayers so looks like Hungary can't stop the payment
Ukraine will likely spend the bulk on ammunition and air defense missiles.
You realize the quickest way for this to happen is that the aggressor (Russia) withdraws from the sovereign nation they invaded right?
Anyone is entitled to push back on what they see as group think, I've done it myself in this thread last year when it was Orcs this RuZZianZ that… but you should at least have something substantive to say. Pulling any old tired conspiracy out of the toilet is no more commendable than going along with group think. Still have no idea what you're trying to achieve.
So true.
This has been a shameful few years for NATO. Sitting back and watching as Russia slowly destroys a great nation.
Utterly baffling anyone could witness that and their first reaction is, must bash NATO.
It's been a shameful few years for Russia.
Do you suggest NATO launches air strikes against Russian targets? How do you see that ending?
Surely you mean shameful for russia ? Where are you coming from ? Orwell road I guess …
Russia vowing a response
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6pppr719rlo
