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So on to pushing conspiracy theories now and entirely incapable of describing what peace would look like. Simple question for you, do you think Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine?
I think these are the two questions that should be asked of any poster who gives a whiff of either peace at all costs/both sides etc… or those who appear to be genuinely aroused at any snippet of bad news for Ukraine:
1.Is Russia committing genocide in Ukraine?(Lifiting kids, bombing civilians, Bucha like massacres etc….)
2. If the answer to question 1 is yes. What does this ill defined peace negotiation with Russia even look like? It's all well and good calling for peace. But you understand giving away any land also means giving away the people living on those lands right? And those people are going to being genocided. Is that really an acceptable outcome to the peace loving posters? Is that not an absolutely monstrous and evil kind of peace?
If the answer to either of those questions is in any way not straightforward(whatabout america,NATO,Iraq,israel/hamas, Cuba etc….). Then those posters really need nothing more than the ignore button.
Seen it there earlier absolutely devastating stuff but they missed the building they had been aiming for, how Russian of them.
I saw that but Ukraine has its own powerful bombs too. I saw a few strikes by them. Very effective. I presume they are getting something from the U.S. (small diameter bombs?)
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Yes it seems like a miss. The FABs lack precision somewhat. Here's a Ukrainian strike
Yeah but there was another video I think of someone driving towards the building after the strike some damage around the area.
I know some of the glided bombs provided by the US are not doing great with electronic counter measures so maybe something Ukrainka made or a different country provided them.
I think they can hit within 3 metres, so only stationary targets there good against not tanks etc that are moving around but if your within 3 metres of a FAB 3000 I don't think you will be alive to tell the tale to be fair. Hopefully Ukraine can sort this threat out soon, F16s will help a lot against this threat.
Sums it up quite nicely!
I wasn't a fan of Boris Johnson but very much admired his stance on Ukraine. Meanwhile Zippy comes out with this.
Putin reminds me of an old MLB pitcher that had 3 signature throws all his career but now all he has is a 4 seam fastball that can't break 80mph anymore. Every one of his threats are laughed at and actually cause a homerun.
Countries join NATO in response to Russian aggression. It is not 'expansion' in the way the Russians say.
Not really asking for your opinion having read some of the nonsense you have already posted. My point was that some dodgy video showing someone finding a well stocked supermarket in moskow makes very little impact on how many moskovytes are being killed in Ukraine and military equipment is being expended to boost the ego of some deranged dictator. If you want to talk about lines, then I think whatever front lines putin's terrorists try to defend in Ukraine, will still lead to them continuing to be target practice for the battle hardened troops of Ukraine and the cost of maintaining a presence in Ukraine will bankrupt putin's empire morally and financially sooner or later.
Best to ignore harpie. He's been recently banned from p dot ie where he's been predicting the impending collapse of Ukraine for the past 2.5 years. He's re-surfaced here to do similar.
And once again the far right and far left parrot the same crap, the West is to blame
Russian commentator on the BRICS games on television gushes over a twenty year old wrestler and tells women of the Rus to take note of this guy. How he is a fine example of the Rus. A real stud. But we don't need any whores of Russia to mate, only good genetic material to cross with.
it’s unbelievable everybody has seen in real time last year the hoops that two democratic countries ( Finland and Sweden) had to jump through to become NATO members. Yet Expansion Expansion Expansion !!!!!! FFS it’s literallly like saying the Sky is black.
Utterly stupefying stuff. The eyes can see and the ears can hear but these fuckers just believe their own reality.
I had a look at the war thread over there.
There are a lot of oddballs on that site.
It's those dastardly Anglo-Saxons forcing their way everywhere.
Ukrainians have two choices. (one) Fight Putin every step of the way until he's defeated. And make no mistake, he will be defeated, no matter how long it takes, because he has to be defeated.
(2) surrender now to Putin and allow him to take over Ukraine. And when he does that, sit back and watch the real slaughter and genocide take place. Putin wants to completely destroy every trace of Ukraine, its culture and its people. Like they never existed. And when he does that, there will be another "Ukraine" waiting to be de-nazified.
You want to talk about Ukraine sending people to the trenches? Go right ahead, but first talk about the hundreds of thousands of Russians Putin has sent, OK? and he's still doing it. Only not so publicly now, is he? Getting afraid that finally, he might have pushed Russians too far. So he quietly increases the "normal" intake of those for compulsory military service.
Farages comments are depressing and will bring a smile to Putins face tonight.
On the day Russian hackers stole 300 million records belonging to British people from the NHS.
Unbelievable.
recorders, they can start their own music class :)
Well thats a non sequitor. If you agree that Ukrainians want to keep up the fight, and that its only unfortunate for the russians because those stubborn Ukrianians dont just give up and surrender, which you appear to accept, then giving out about armchair generals is meaningless.
So, going back to your original point that its a waste of life, would you agree that Russia should just go back to their own country and stop bothering others?
Just a yes or no would suffice please! An answer of "what about azov biolabs" is no real answer
Every right thinking person backs peace. That 100% requires Putin and Russia to FO!
what was Nigel Farrage’s ‘ hidden agenda’ late night on the BBC1 news last night re the UKr/RU war/ SMO. He said that he told the EU - when an MP there- that there will be a war yet in UKr and caused by the west because of NATO making attempts to creep further towards Russia. Putin can now use this - unashamedly- as the reason for this SMO - further reinforcing what he has been saying all along. The interviewer never asked him if he agreed with current UK policy re UKR and if not then what would he propose
He used to appear regularly on Russia Today (when that was more acceptable) and is a friend and supporter of Donald Trump so his opinions are not a surprise, and he's held them a long time.
I doubt there is any "hidden agenda" (from him) bringing it to attention just before an election. I think these opinions are very unpopular in the UK. Hopefully it will damage his party. I can't see how it does them any good to have it dragged into the spotlight.
"Comrade" Corbyn's very odd foreign policy and his disturbing willingness to put faith in Russia/Putin (e.g. during Salisbury poisonings) destroyed chance of him ever becoming PM.
He's getting the incels on side now, by saying nice things about the twart Andrew Tate. I expect they're all Putin fans anyway.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-andrew-tate-the-guardian-romania-reform-b2566831.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2u-AXWiJOmCIViOYS-BTTVtAe3DABT19WN3vgIy7xKXT04l84fw8zGQz4_aem_FjUsV9V-QUyv8ThrGA8kkA
Yep, it's somewhat telling that the poster is clearly dodging both questions.
And this post gets right to the nub of the matter, something that many are ignoring or skating over.
'Farage is very much a pub bore' Ben Wallace.
nuff said.
