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Fake news, every Russian car crash YouTube video taught me the Russians have not yet discovered seatbelt technology
And it seems that there are now a large cohort of anti-war far-rightists….of the MAGA persuasion in the USA. One could remain sceptical as to whether their objection to war extends from ''wars that don't benefit us'' (anything involving Russia) to ''wars that we believe in and approve of'' (anything involving Israel and China). Some of these radical peaceniks seem to have quite a appetite for unleashing destruction on Mexico, oddly enough.
On a lighter note, be sure to keep an eye on Ukraine in the Euros. A good shout for us neutrals.
The Czech initiative is a mix of all calibres - 105, 122, 152 and 155.
Apart from Iran and North Korea, no other Russian aligned country has provided Russia with direct arms. So even a country who wanted to sell to Russia indirectly would need to go through Iran or NK. That's pretty hard with both countries under sanctions.
As for supplying Ukraine, there's still countries who would prefer not to support (directly) or remain neutral so selling to an intermediary would be a solution.
Return the kidnapped children
Good point! I Stand corrected
Article on how these are arriving now
Yep part of the problem was caused by Russia being responsible for the place becoming very poor, but a lot of the modern anger isn't just a longing for the old times, but resentment against the rich Westerners who came in and bought up all the land and industry because it was so cheap and now dominate.
The 'funny' thing is a lot of ordinary Westerners resent the East too because a lot of their taxes went to support the East. It was a real f'k-up that mostly benefitted the rich.
Something similar happened in Hungary too, where a lot of the land was bought by Austrians. About 10 years ago when there was some tension between the countries Orban threatened to confiscate a lot of this land, but nothing came of it in the end. I think they do have a law now though that you need to be a citizen to purchase land there.
Like we all know the politicians say what they do because they are in Putin's pocket, but it's important too to understand the views of the people who vote for them, and phrase things appropriately for them.
I know a few people who were tempted to vote for Wagenknecht because she phrases her support for Putin as support for peace. So I have to tell them there will be no peace for the Ukrainians in the Russian occupied areas, rather than talking about territorial integrity or protecting Germany from Russia, which to them sounds like support for war and militarisation.
A lot of people were copped on to them. Thread comments are a gas.
Berlin wall fell in 89 and the Russian's only fully left in 1994. There is a huge number of 2nd generation "Russian's" left in Germany now in the 30-40's age bracket who will be taking on positions of influence, and who are very much still very pro-Russian.
Even worse though, they haven't experienced the iron curtain, but still idolise it, and in their eyes Russia can do no wrong.
This is similar in a lot of Baltic states.
It's no surprise Putin waited until this scenario occurred, so there is maximum resistance engrained in various states socio-economic and political stances. This will be the case until this generation dies off unfortunately.
Only way to combat it is to recognise it's there, and vote against them, every time and everywhere.
Several reports and videos now of Russians getting surrounded in vovchansk right on the Kharkiv border
It's great to see but the scale is very small. Not even a million shells.
The Red army are currently firing 300k shells a month, the Ukrainians 60k a month.
Even at that the Russians are dealing with the limits they have, and have fired more in the past.
Russia has China helping it and its production of weapons will continue to expand .
Western Europe refuses to take a meaningful step to defend itself or be in a position to help others.
China is running down the west capability of more precisely the West is allowing it by refusing to take defense seriously.
Germany is at least taking small steps to fixing that and by 2035 it is expected to have enough artillery to equate to what Russia or ukraine lose in 6 months.
Defense and security spending needs to be a European priority.
Is China looking to swap Taiwan for Ukraine?
It's all the one fight as far as Beijing, Tehran, Moscow and a good few others are concerned.
What is going on in Ukraine is likely the precursor to taking Taiwan and possibly Mongolia.
European armies are basically empty of ammunition and lacking equipment, it was right to give it to Ukraine but it was wrong to not aggressively replace it.
It's the scale needed that is the problem.
For Ukraine to beat Russia it will take multiples of what has been given. For Europe to be able to defend itself, its interests, deter The numerous enemies around it, it will take a significant jump in capability. Who honestly sees any interest in western Europe in self defense or national security, the opposite.
It looks like for the next decade anybad actor or totalitarian state will have free run.
Same in this country no interest in defense or even credible deterrence.
Has the West been lured into a false sense of security by nuclear deterrence?
Has China made its choice and we have to accept it as an unfriendly nation ,basically on a level with Russia?
Putin's 'Peace' offer sounds more like an ultimatum. More akin to Hitler's speech and 'Peace' offer to Britain after the fall of France.
Oops,somebody smoking again?
Yes ,that seems like a good way to view it.
What are the dynamics of support for Ukraine at the moment?
Is it losing ground in public opinion in the West(as opposed to support among the political groupings)?
Eisenhower's speech in which he warns about the potential negative influence of the miltary-industrial complex is commonly cited on the Net, usually by people who are against the increase in arms manufacturing, be it for pacifist or "the money would be better spent elsewhere" concerns. However, very few people seem to cite the fact that the purpose of his speaking was to observe the necessity of having a miltary industrial complex in the first place even with the ancillary risks and costs. The first part of the speech has been forgotten about, the second has almost been used as a basis for domestic government policy since the 90s.
is he trying to give the impression that he is putting it forward from a position of strength - I’d that the opposite could be the case.
To be kind to Putin , I’d say that he is trying to be the Devil’s advocate ,. He is trying to muddy the waters.
The timing of it is of interest - on the eve of the meeting in Switzerland. If the proposal came from any other nation , one would be looking at it one way but when the proposer is from Russia one would have to look at it from a totally different angle
He is basically trying to mess with the heads of those in Switzerland on a NON issue Ie it is not a peace proposal , it is ‘ I want to MESS WITH YOUR HEADS PROPOSAL’
Seems in character.
Someone recently said, might have been a quote, about how war was awful and the only thing worse was losing one.
Yes. China is actively working, not just to subjugate its own population, but to undermine the very idea of Western democracy.
If you believe in democracy, then China is your enemy.
General Patton's quote always gets taken out of context too (happy to be corrected, you know far much more than me on military matters)
We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the bastards now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually.
Where the above is usually the given context, where others have suggested it was the Jews, along with other versions of the quote.
He also is setting the scene for the main Russian offensive, he tried the peace route etc etc. Lot of ot for domestic consumption and also for his numerous friends across Asia and Africa.
Hey found your post
Ukraine has officially down this now
because the Kharkiv offensive went swimmingly well /s
So we should be trying to break through the wall of internet information (censorship) around China exactly as if we were already at war with them?
We should be funding anti CPC government groups living in the West and withholding visas for any one on the CCP page?
So long as it is productive.
Crack down on Beijing stooges?(when the time comes)
Let other countries choose a side?
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