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Even if by some miracle that was true. None of the other countries in BRICS are directly supporting Russias invasion in the same way as the G7 are directly supporting Ukraines defence.
What's your opinion? Or are you just here to ask questions?
quite the opposite
https://thehill.com/business/4715951-world-bank-impressive-us-economy-is-powering-the-world/
And everyone is getting an example of what a country without euros/dollars endsup like today 😂
Noted Jeffrey Sachs points to BRICS as having a greater output than g7
And Saudi's moved off the petrodollar. I think the US has plenty of gas in the tank but just wondering what people here think? Is the US in decline?
It seems Ukraine situation has improved since the GOP got out of the way of funding, wouldn't you say?
Holy crap, what the hell?!
What does he shout?
Yes Rhodesia in the 1970’s was a prime example. Sanctioned by most western countries it managed to survive until the Portuguese dictatorship collapsed. One country was enough to keep it going. But again they were in nothing like the situation Russia are today.
Yes Russian loot used to fight Russian looters, very nice!
Some like Biden are playing chess, others like Putin are playing tick tack toe
So, if I have this right
The G7 leaders are going to take out a loan of 50 billion each year, give it to Ukraine, then use the interest from the seized Russian assets to pay the interest on that loan - something like that. Plus there's a bevy of 10 year bilateral agreements for Ukraine. Putin's fallback "wait them out" goal not looking so good.
Bother me? I said "Any day the Russian economy will collapse now"
How do summarise that as bothering me. It's a good thing.
They sure do, and 100% more so than Putin and his cronies, who are insulated in so far as everyday living is concerned. Anyone on fixed incomes, pensioners especially, but also people who would have what were considered good salaries, until inflation and a drop in value of the Ruble affected those people. No, like always, it's the people at the bottom of the pyramid who pay the price for any shenanigans at the upper levels. Unfortunately, these people are also unlikely to mount a serious challenge to Putin. That will have to come from one or more of the powerful Silovicki.
For sure. I read an interview with Lafontaine recently in which he pretty much said American imperialism and NATO are fully to blame for the war in Ukraine, not Russia. Wagenknecht has obviously absorbed all that from their marriage at least.
There's some big shot American historian, I forget his name but Putin fans wheel him out a lot too, he says the same nonsense.
What can you even say to these people? Waste of breath
Mick Wallace may very well be about to lose his seat. It's all going to come down to Green Party transfers. He needs to breech a 2k vote gap or he's done.
good news the last day , hopefully it all goes down the sh*tter for them.
We might get more of this now.
Putin just became more bitch'd to Xi.
Indeed, but it's not a comparison as such, just to demonstrate that regimes can survive harsh economic conditions. In such circumstances it can increase their grip on power, which is ultimately their primary concern.
The Russian economy could completely go down the toilet in the next e.g. decade and I wouldn't be surprised to see Putin in power all the way through. That said it would become progressively harder and much more difficult to finance such a war.
The probable solution to latest self inflicted Russian crisis seems to be
… become a colony of China
yea, they are surrounded by 4 cloaked Romulan American subs aswell.
Russians do their Cuban sub run every year it's nothing new
I'm sure their problems keeping the things safe and well maintained have abated in the time since the war started.
Leave them to it, their submarines have a tendency to sink like their ships
There’s a very deep ocean trench around them parts too
Russia trying to act hard with the nuclear submarine off the US coast.
Has this prompted Biden to take proper action?
The Russian populace is VERY different to the NK populace. The geographical spread of Russia is VERY different to that of NK. And the socio-economic status of the two countries at the relevant points in time - now versus the 1950s/ 60s (bearing in mind the advance in technology and global communication platforms and comparative difficulty Putin would have in trying to brainwash and subjugate an entire population) is VERY different.
There's almost no point in trying to make a comparison.
They will be aware of it by having to go to the black market for many things that they used to get via official channels up to now. And with the rise in the black market, the criminal classes will get even richer and more powerful. If you already considered Russia to be a mafia state, buckle up.
Ukrainian hackers have hacked Russian TV and played Swan Lake with Happy Last Day of Russia across the screen.
They also showed all of Russia's military losses since the start of the war.
Unfortunately it's unlikely to collapse as such. Even North Korea hasn't collapsed. Dictatorships can run on fumes for a long time.
The Russians are masters in circumventing sanctions and have turned heavily to China/India/etc, which has kept their economy ticking along and even some "relative progress", but in the long term they have had to sideline infrastructure projects to pay for a very expensive war, and on top of that foreign intermediaries and countries are getting more and more cautious about accepting business with them. It's a slow hurt.
That's not how sanctions work. They're aimed at smothering productive growth in the sanctioned nation. Russia's on a war footing and growth has pivoted to a war economy. That's far more immune to obvious sanction effects, but on the other hand isn't sustainable and doesn't have the wider trickle down of a general economy.
But let's imagine Russia wins, say takes the eastern part of Ukraine up to the Dnieper. OK, but that's when their troubles get worse. They'll inherit a wasteland covered in munitions(and corpses) with much of the infrastructure destroyed. Even if they suffer zero partisan action in the conquered territories(unlikely), the cost of clean up, never mind rebuilding will be truly astronomical. Costs that Russia would have struggled to pony up before the war and sanctions, damn near impossible now. And if they did win even more sanctions would be brought to bear.
If they lose they'd likely be hit with reparations, but good luck getting that out of them. But again their economy, an economy that peaked circa 2013, would still be screwed with far few customers overall. Never mind the tens of thousands dead and injured and returning troops with PTSD.
This is a lose/lose situation for Russia and it was the second Putin invaded and miscalculated the response.
I suspect that post might not age well and when they are back to bartering with vodka bottles* we will still have posts saying “see tis nothing but a scratch”
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look how happy they used to be on on payday before going back to secondary job in the prostitution industry to earn some “hard” currency
Make Russia Great again, again
Yes the sanctions aren't working! For Russia that is.
The only reasoned opinion I have seen on this site that suggests an implosion of the Russian economy, does so based on Russia being unable to afford this war in the long run if the West keeps supporting Ukraine. Now, why does today's good news about the Russian economy seem to bother you so much?
Any day the Russian economy will collapse now.
