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I didn't realise that there was so much money flowing through the Trust. In around €50m in 2022 alone.
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I don't think Pieta has a great financial history either. You might want to Google them before making your next donation.
Instead of dozens of charities doing similar functions why does the government not have a department or its own organisations it has complete control over to do the work of all these charities, it might even save a money as im sure theres a lot of duplication. Sure the governments funding them mostly in any event!
Ah now be fair.
They are only some of the time defending Peter McVerry Trust.
They also have to defend government, government parties, dept of health, health system, and most especially the new childrens hospital and it does keep them kinda busy.
At this stage one could surmise with some confidence most charities in Ireland and most NGOs are basically jobs for the boys and gals.
And yes, for the usual pedants round here, I did not say all, but there are definitely too many just squandering someone elses money.
It’s become a great excuse for the government to do nothing- whether it’s health care homelessness, poverty, hunger, mental health - they’ve outsourced responsibility to charities from their own departments
Says in the OP that he is threadbanned, so you probably shouldn't engage.
To the layman 70% on staff costs seems astonishingly high for an organisation also involved in the purchase of property. It is clear the organisation is not for purpose, and there was some shady behaviour going on from at least one CEO. Such conduct does not suggest someone conducting their duties diligently with regard to value for money, when hundreds of thousands of euros are disbursed in a single transaction with no controls, in receipt of no specified services.
It’s simply a large company if it reaches that stage - I refuse to support such badly run monstrosities with my donations
As far as I'm concerned this is part of the definition of charity:
Charity is the voluntary provision of assistance to those in need.
These are NGOs, not charities at this stage.
Why does if have to go to a charity / NGO?
Transfer the funding and staff back into the local councils (who have statutory responsibility for delivering homeless services anyway), and cut the charity veneer totally.
And see how well that goes!
That has been tried endlessly. The quality of the housing has all too often been horrific. It’s the same experience elsewhere in Europe (except maybe Finland). Housing is by and large provided and managed by housing associations.
Doras got a million off the state and raised 45k in donations in 2023. Surely a charity should have a ratio target of 90% fund raising 10% state. There are between 450 and 520 Approved housing bodies in Ireland now. The biggest grouping have 40-50k properties- all with CEO’s boards etc each awarding maintenance and building contracts which I’m sure aren’t to which firms etc 6 billion swirling around NGO’s now Cluid - TIglin etc
The service level agreement that these organisation the HSE Tusla etc have with those organisations are very business like.
Does anyone really believe the state would do better more efficient better value job?
I wonder how much the fundraising manager at Doras was paid ... probably loss making that one.
Where in all this is the Charity Regulator?
the CEO a guy called Martin Lannon was on Matt Cooper saying there’s no issue with the number of people coming into the country - the issue is we simply aren’t building houses for everyone that needs one. This is a guy who is entrusted with a million euros of tax payers money! Can’t see in the accounts what his salary is.
Probably not. One thing is clear though, trying to manage/house people with chronic addiction issues is an absolute money pit.
Remember someone lay dead in one of these managed properties for weeks, despite constant complaints from neighbours that it was a drug den.
I worked for one years ago, so saw first hand what goes on. I do not donate to any charity now.
If I want to give away my money now I will put it into the hand of someone I know who needs it.
One person cannot rip off a charity, It takes a minimum of two, one to defraud and another to countersign. By the time a third person becomes aware and sees what is going on it becomes a free for all and you have a culture of fraud.
Does Peter have to declare his salary?
And this is replicated right across the board.
Whether it is to do with waste collection(largely privatised), portions of transportation(privatised) the provision of housing people (private landlords via HAP or developers) and indeed many more functions of the state. Indeed I'd argue that they've outsourced the provision of community resources and facilities in a lot of cases to voluntary groups and sporting organisations.
As others have said there are tonnes of charities that do very similar work, you'd have to think there's massive waste at the best of times
It's a complete clusterfcuk in a lot of cases.
Indeed - that's why I said "And see how well that goes!".
But housing associations are just NGOs. Either small scale local "collectives" which have a lot of potential for fraud and other poor behaviour, or large scale operations which are just like any large company.
I worked for one of the large-scale ones for about a year. Hardest job I've had for years - and I was just admin staff. Their housing officers worked incredibly hard, they got the same pay as council staff, but had a lot more expected of them. It's really unfair that the sector is organised that way.
It’s government endorsed collusion is what it is - jobs for the boys and sometimes girls, lots of expense accounts as we’ve seen in RTÉ FFS- the government are stealing money from the public and lining the pockets of the already rich semi retired fcking incompetent business class - let’s stop the charity swindle now - no more donations to ANY charity - let’s see how the government take that
I’ve no doubt tonight’s prime time programme is going to make a lot of charity donators very unhappy
probably begging the government for more funding and greater powers
It's declared.
It's zero.
No salary, no expenses, no allowances.
Not now, not ever.
https://pmvtrust.ie/about-us/governance/#:~:text=All%20directors%20are%20voluntary%20and,its%20challenge%20to%20reduce%20homelessness.
there’s 11500 charities in Ireland - how the fck have we come to this? What possible reason do we need this number of charities?
https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-register-of-charities
possibly you can download the full list here
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/register-of-charities-in-ireland
Thanks, interesting.
The self preservation society.
RTE 1 now.
Because there is a charity for absolutely everything. And so many of the lmcompeting with each other, providing services to similar end users.
And 11,500 CEOs, offices,and other inefficiencies across the board.
A charity for every 435 people in Ireland (based on 5m population).
Ridiculous.
Why do people keep giving to charity?
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