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BusConnects Dublin - Likely phasing of new routes

LXFlyer

This question keeps being asked in the BusConnects thread - so I am putting it here as a separate thread. Mods - could this be posted as a sticky please as it's really one of the most repeated questions?

This is my guess as to what will happen with each of the BusConnects phases to come - I am not putting dates on this as they will happen when driver resources permit, but they should happen in the following order:

Southern Orbitals:

New routes: S2, S4, S6, S8, W2, 74 and L25

Cancelled: 17, 17d, 18, 61, 75, 75a, 76, 76a and 175

F Spine:

New routes: F1, F2, F3, F9, 71, 80, 82 and L89

F1 likely to operate to IKEA per 140 route from Charlestown until E Spine launches;
F2 to operate to 150 terminus at Rossmore rather than Spawell as per original plan;
80 to operate from Liffey Valley SC to Palmerston Park until A Spine launches
82 to operate to 54a terminus at Kiltipper until D Spine launches
L89 to operate to/from Broombridge

Cancelled: 26, 40, 40b, 49, 54a, 56a, 140, 150; Southern half of route 9; Southern half of routes 83 & 83a

O Route:

No other changes

E Spine:

New routes: E1, E2, E9, N2, 19, 23, 24, L1, L2, L3, L12, L14, L15, L26, L27, X1, X2, P11, P12, P13, P16

Amended: Route F1 may change to terminate at Charlestown

Cancelled: 7b, 7d, 9, 46a, 46e, 63, 63a, 83, 83a, 84, 84a, 84x, 116, 118, 145, 155, 184, 185; Northern half of route 4; Northern half of route 11; Northern half of route 13

D Spine:

New routes: D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D9, 8, 10, 20, 21, 58, 72, 73, L56, L80, L81, L91, X47, X55, X56, X58, X78

Amended: 82 changed to terminate at Killinarden.

Cancelled: 13, 27, 27a, 27b, 27x, 32x, 42, 43, 51d, 51x, 53, 53a, 68, 68a, 68x, 69, 69x, 77a, 77x, 102, 104, 123, 130, 151; Northern half of route 14, Northern half of route 15, Southern half of route 122

A Spine:

New routes: A1, A2, A3, A4, A9, 22, 81, 85, L44, L82, L83, L85, P18, P43, P44, X76, X77, X79, X83, X84

Amended: Route 80 extended from Palmerston Park to Ballinteer

Cancelled: 1, 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 15d, 16, 33, 33a, 33b, 33d, 33x, 41, 41b, 41c, 41d, 41x, 65, 65b, 142; Northern half of 44

B Spine:

New routes: B1, B2, B3, B4, N8, 34, 35, 36, 37 (new), 48, 98, L11, L21, L22, L61, L62, L63, L64, P11, P12, P63, P64, P65, X61, X62

Cancelled: 4, 7, 7a, 37 (old), 38, 38a, 38b, 38d, 39, 39a, 39x, 40d, 40e, 45a, 45b, 59, 70, 111, 120, 122, 220, 220a, 236, 236a, 238, 270

Final Phase:

New routes: 86, 87, 88, L13, L33, L35

Cancelled: 11, 44, 44b, 47, 114, 161

The proposed new network map is here

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/big-picture-map-170920-oe-web.pdf

Proposed frequencies are here:

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/a3-frequency-tables-061020-fa.pdf

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ITV2

L88 Enniskerry to CC, is that not an 88 ?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893231#Comment_121893231

It is yes. It’s a radial route.

It’s in the final phase.

GusherING

When will the O route kick in? Will it happen same time as the E Spine?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122027802#Comment_122027802

We don’t know yet is the simple answer.

But it alone will require a lot of extra drivers and that’s challenging right now.

Luckycharm

When is the 85 coming starting and is it replacing the 15B and is the A1 replacing the 15 and now will go to Beaumont instead of Clairehall?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122142063#Comment_122142063

Again, no one can give a timeline as it is resource dependent, but it won’t be this year.

At this stage it is likely to be late 2025 or early 2026.

You are correct about the changes.

scrabtom

It says on Neasa Hourigan's constituency letter that E spine and 19 route are planned to go live on September 26th.

She also says that the O orbital and N2 orbital are planned for November.

The Mulk

Is there any update on the W6 route, it all seems very quite around Hazelhatch Bridge, I'm not sure if the works are finished, or have even started!

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205892#Comment_122205892

Last I saw was a councillor confirming that funds had been allocated for the works this year.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122164763#Comment_122164763

I would be very surprised if the N2 launches separately to the E spine and 19. The 13 is being replaced in the next phase so there would a loss of service on Griffith Avenue if the N2 doesn't start at the same time.

The Green Party Cabra-Glasnevin candidate Feljin Jose (who was chair of the Dublin Commuter Coalition so probably knows what he's talking about) says that the N2 will start in September. He also states that the 19 will be every 10 minutes at peak times.

https://feljin.ie/24hr-bus-for-glasnevin-and-phibsboro-busconnects-e-spine/

The Ballymun-Finglas councillor Keith Connolly also claims the E spine, 19 and N2 are due to start in Q3.

Champagne Sally

I was just coming on here to ask that very question. Anybody know? I know work was planned for Hazelhatch bridge and was due to commence earlier this year and that the W6, unless I dreamed all this, was due to be launched late Summer but nada since.

Reversal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221487#Comment_122221487

According to local pols quoting the NTA, works have been "commencing in the coming weeks" for months now.

At the start of this year, some exploration holes were dug and vegetation trimmed back. Nothing since.

We are now 6 years on from when this route was first identified, and coming up on 2 years on from the specific issues relating to the bridge were raised publicly, and no work started yet.

It's only moving two traffic light poles and and painting new white lines. Such an embarrassment.

Champagne Sally

Thank you for the update, it really is an embarrassment as you say! Would be such a great route, if only!!

cgcsb

I seen a bus stop platform recently built on Broombridge Road, near the Tolka Valley Park end. I assume this is to accommodate the N2. I had been hoping for an early launch.

The Mulk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227542#Comment_122227542

I've written to Go Ahead Ireland and the NTA on 31/05/2024 asking for an update on the (W6) route and the proposed works at HH Bridge.

GA referred me to the NTA and so far I've received a holding e-mail from the NTA stating 15 working days for a response.

I'll update if i get any further info. but no clearer at the moment.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122240982#Comment_122240982

It’s a South Dublin County Council project - you need to ask them.

The full details of the works are outlined in the original consultation.

https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/proposed-works-hazelhatch-bridge-facilitate-bus-movements-part-bus-connects-dublin-network-redesign

The Mulk

Email received from South Dublin Co Co this afternoon

"Thank you for contacting us for an update regarding the completion of the W62 route across Hazelhatch Bridge. We appreciate your patience and understanding. I am pleased to inform you that the NTA has confirmed that construction work will commence on Monday, June 24, 2024. The project is expected to be completed within approximately 12 weeks, barring any unforeseen circumstances."

Hopefully by end of September so!

sheepish97

terminus for E1 at Northwood (road past costa) being built currently

LXFlyer

UPDATED PHASING:

I have updated the likely phasing based on what we know about the next phases, and how that impacts later changes:

E Spine:

New routes: E1, E2, 19, L1, L2, L3, L12, L14, L15, L26, L27, X1, X2

Cancelled: 46a, 46e, 63, 63a, 84, 84a, 84x, 145, 155, 184, 185; Northern half of route 4; Northern half of route 11; Northern half of route 13

Amended: Route 4 to operate Heuston Station-Monkstown Avenue; Route 11 to operate Phoenix Park-Sandyford Business District; Route 13 to operate Mountjoy Square-Grange Castle

W6 Route:

New route: W6

Cancelled: W61, W62

O Route:

New Route: Route O introduced

Amended: Route 11 to operate City Centre-Sandyford Business District

F Spine:

New routes: F1, F2, F3, F9, 71, 23, 24, 80, 82 and L89

F1 to operate to/from IKEA per 140 route from Charlestown
F2 to operate to 150 terminus at Rossmore rather than Spawell as per original plan;
80 to operate from Liffey Valley SC to Palmerston Park until A Spine launches
82 to operate to 54a terminus at Kiltipper until D Spine launches
L89 to operate to/from Broombridge

Cancelled: 9, 26, 40, 40b, 49, 54a, 56a, 83, 83a, 140, 150

D Spine:

New routes: D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D9, 8, 10, 20, 21, 58, 72, 73, L56, L80, L81, L91, X47, X55, X56, X58, X78

Amended: 82 changed to terminate at Killinarden.

A Spine:

New routes: A1, A2, A3, A4, A9, 22, 81, 85, L44, L82, L83, L85, P18, P43, P44, X76, X77, X79, X83, X84

Amended: Route 80 extended from Palmerston Park to Ballinteer (Kingston)

Cancelled: 1, 14, 15, 15a, 15b, 15d, 16, 33, 33a, 33b, 33d, 33x, 41, 41b, 41c, 41d, 41x, 65, 65b, 142; Northern half of 44

B Spine:

New routes: B1, B2, B3, B4, N8, 34, 35, 36, 37 (new), 48, 98, L11, L21, L22, L61, L62, L63, L64, P11, P12, P63, P64, P65, X61, X62

Cancelled: 4, 7, 7a, 7b, 7d, 37 (old), 38, 38a, 38b, 38d, 39, 39a, 39x, 40d, 40e, 45a, 45b, 59, 70, 111, 120, 122, 220, 220a, 236, 236a, 238, 270

Final Phase:

New routes: 86, 87, 88, L13, L33, L35, P13, P16

Cancelled: 11, 44, 44b, 47, 114, 116, 118, 161

The proposed new network map is here

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/A3-Big-Picture-Map-13.6.24.pdf

Proposed frequencies are here:

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/a3-frequency-tables-061020-fa.pdf

ITV2

So the 82 is only a stop gap at Kiltipper, so it will terminate at Killinardan, the locals will be happy.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122772570#Comment_122772570

The locals in Killinarden wanted the connection to the post office maintained!

Like anything though - that might change!

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771081#Comment_122771081

The 26/80 seems quite out of place in the F spine changes. You'd think they would have included that with the C spine.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122772590#Comment_122772590

It is replacing the 140 southside by extending south, hence it is in the F Spine phase.

Remember that this is resource driven and trying to ensure that no one loses out in terms of having a bus service in each phase.

Given that the 26 really didn’t change back when the C Spine launched, I guess they really didn’t want to change the number.

It’ll change further when it extends further south to replace the southern half of the 14. That can’t happen until the A Spine phase as it is intertwined with the other routes in Ballinteer.

The Mathematician

Many thanks for all your hard work LXFlyer, I don't suppose you would like to estimate when the A spine will launch, or is that too far off?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122772933#Comment_122772933

God knows, being honest about any of the phases.

It will all boil down to resources.

Stillnotworking

@LXFlyer Thanks for the update, is the F9 a night time variant of the F spine. I cant see it on the Busconnects Website. Thanks.

TranslatorPS

The F9 is intended to be a uni-directional peak supplement, much like the H9 was meant to be but quickly enough disappeared as not worth the three duties sent to work it.

Stillnotworking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774245#Comment_122774245

Good to know. Thanks.

magicbastarder

Anyone got any hot news about the E spine? The last news I heard several months ago was for it to go live in September which has come and gone.

They've made at least one minor road layout tweak near me a few months ago to facilitate the new 19 route.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122779880#Comment_122779880

It was meant to be starting on 24th November but is now 8th December according to a Wicklow councillor.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122778543#Comment_122778543