How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Don't forget to add in all those double weeks and very generous extra bonus' given to welfare recipients around Christmas time. It all adds up. Also factor in the costs of work for the employee.
Look, the deal is done and it won't be undone. But it was said by some of us all along that CS/PS were being shafted.
The bottom line is the Government place more value on welfare than work.
I'll just leave this here.
People who are not in the workforce are seeing their real incomes increase by more than employees are, according to an analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) of the Oireachtas.The increase for those in employment is 1.8pc for 2023/24, with public servants faring the worst, because their real incomes will grow by just 0.5pc in the period to the end of this year.
People who are not in the workforce are seeing their real incomes increase by more than employees are, according to an analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) of the Oireachtas.
The increase for those in employment is 1.8pc for 2023/24, with public servants faring the worst, because their real incomes will grow by just 0.5pc in the period to the end of this year.
This thread is full of cranks with very unrealistic expectations, I wouldn't worry about it too much. They'll try their hardest to convince you that you're complicit by not demanding a double digit percentage increase every 18 months.
Thats why comparing those on the minimum to an entire sector is a pointless comparison.
I can switch from kerrygold to aldi butter. Someone on social welfare likely doesn't have that option. The cost of living is nonlinear and that has to be taken into account by the government when setting welfare rates.
Imagine someone on €200 a week got a 10% increase, and someone on €52000/year got a 5% increase. BY that article, the first person is doing twice as well as the second person. In reality, the first person went from €200 to €220 and the second went from €1000 to €1050, a 2.5 fold increase comparing just the increases against each other. Even including tax, the increase is still bigger for the second (a little over €30 in my head), so a 1.5 fold bigger increase.
That reflects your view on it alright. You've made that clear.
Others, like myself, have a different opinion.
So it's a failure then.
Before the end of June in the NW anyway. Not sure about other regions.
Mentioned in the last few HSE Staff Announcement emails.
Anyone know when the first installment will show up in payslips (HSE)?
As it is bigger than inflation, it clearly chips away at it.
None of that goes anywhere near making up for the fall in real wages over the last deal.
There's 3% next year + the 1% local bargaining clause compared to 4.25% this year. I wouldn't call that particularly front loaded. Infact, go back a few pages, most people complained it wasn't front loaded enough.
Forget about this 'kicking the unemployed' nonsense.
A 0.5% increase in real wages after what happened the last few years is in no way acceptable, and much of the current deal is front-loaded so it's not going to get better.
I don’t see where I’ve said that at all. I’m sure what the government presented is factually correct. I’ve no reason to doubt the figures.
It’s the narrative around it that I disagree with.
Agreed. We diminish our integrity when we kick at the jobless in order to advocate for ourselves, using a small snapshot of cherrypicked data designed to stoke outrage.
You're not saying the government got it wrong ...are you? 🤣
Its official from Government. We are worse off than someone on Jobseekers
Ah yes, a single snapshot of a single year is a good way to compare things.
As inflation disproportionally effects the lower paid, a higher real increase makes sense. My real percentage increase is lower than someone on the lower rate of tax because more of mine goes to tax.
This shouldn't be Public Servants v those on welfare that the media always tries to stir up.
Are you in the union?
I tried getting a response from the union rep. First question to me was are you in the union? Wouldn't answer the question 😁
Needless to say, 0.5% goes nowhere near compensating for how much we got screwed under the last deal…
Its official from Government.We are worse off than someone on Jobseekers
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/people-on-welfare-see-incomes-increase-by-higher-rate-than-those-in-employment-oireachtas-study-shows/a389737558.html
Thanks for the response that's good to know!
Moving up points on the scale and the pay deal are separate.
Lets say my salary will go up 1000 when I get my next increment but will the 1% be in addition to that?
Yes.
Example: If you're on a point 1 of the scale at €30,000 and point 2 is at €33,000. The 1% increase will be €30,300 and €33,330. The new scale applies from June. If you stay on point 1, then your salary increases by €300. If you move to point 2, then your salary increases by €3,330.
Hi all
I apologise in advance for what will probably be a very badly worded question and I hope it will make sense.
I am wondering how does this pay deal work with increments? Lets say my salary will go up 1000 when I get my next increment but will the 1% be in addition to that? Are the pay scales also going to be increasing or how does that work? Due to increments my salary was going up anyway. So is my salary going up because of the increment or will my salary go up the % increases also?? From the way I see it is the salary scale does not also go up then I will only be getting an increase that I was going to get anyway and not the additional increases newly agreed
Would appreciate opinions on this
Your argument is that its "not the full picture", not that its irrelevant. I struggle to see how a stat like that is "irrelevant".
An argument (largely from one very loud poster here) was that the current deal is lower than inflation when only considering the period of the deal. So far, that's very much untrue. So how exactly is my post irrelevant?
You're arguing a point I'm not making.
CPI since the start of this deal is irrelevant.
How about CPI since the start of the previous deal? Not looking so hot now is it?
Who isn't calling companies greedy for doing it?????
I didn't say they changed T&C but it's legal for them to put such a clause in, without you being able to get free of the contract.
Literally trapping people into paying more for several products with no way out, outside breakage fees.
Workers are service providers, we sell our time/effort, yet we don't get to insert meaningful clauses like this without being called greedy.
Government and companies are pulling in record takes but we were presented with a less than inflation deal, no matter the vote outcome
Those companies aren't changing terms and conditions. They've had it in their terms and conditions that they would apply an inflationary increase. It's not really comparable.
Got my backdated pay and increase today.
CPI since the start of this deal is +0.2% and we have received +2.25% with another 1% in June. You won't see those crying out it was for more upfront acknowledging that.
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