How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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2.25% won't make a dent? Seems like an odd thing to say. I'd call that a dent.
Got mine in my payslip this week.....backdated and all .....it's not really worth talking about tbh.
Vs the cumulative pressures of the past 2 years? yeah, no
9/10% over the past two years doesn't make a dent?
21e increase before deductions in my wages this week.
you could buy a cup of coffee 🤣
It definitely won't buy the cake to go with it though 😞
Forsa have updated Local Government Salary Scales with effect from 1st January 2024. It is published on their website.
Got my backdated pay and increase today.
CPI since the start of this deal is +0.2% and we have received +2.25% with another 1% in June. You won't see those crying out it was for more upfront acknowledging that.
Those companies aren't changing terms and conditions. They've had it in their terms and conditions that they would apply an inflationary increase. It's not really comparable.
I didn't say they changed T&C but it's legal for them to put such a clause in, without you being able to get free of the contract.
Literally trapping people into paying more for several products with no way out, outside breakage fees.
Workers are service providers, we sell our time/effort, yet we don't get to insert meaningful clauses like this without being called greedy.
Government and companies are pulling in record takes but we were presented with a less than inflation deal, no matter the vote outcome
Who isn't calling companies greedy for doing it?????
CPI since the start of this deal is irrelevant.
How about CPI since the start of the previous deal? Not looking so hot now is it?
Your argument is that its "not the full picture", not that its irrelevant. I struggle to see how a stat like that is "irrelevant".
An argument (largely from one very loud poster here) was that the current deal is lower than inflation when only considering the period of the deal. So far, that's very much untrue. So how exactly is my post irrelevant?
You're arguing a point I'm not making.
Hi all
I apologise in advance for what will probably be a very badly worded question and I hope it will make sense.
I am wondering how does this pay deal work with increments? Lets say my salary will go up 1000 when I get my next increment but will the 1% be in addition to that? Are the pay scales also going to be increasing or how does that work? Due to increments my salary was going up anyway. So is my salary going up because of the increment or will my salary go up the % increases also?? From the way I see it is the salary scale does not also go up then I will only be getting an increase that I was going to get anyway and not the additional increases newly agreed
Would appreciate opinions on this
Moving up points on the scale and the pay deal are separate.
Lets say my salary will go up 1000 when I get my next increment but will the 1% be in addition to that?
Yes.
Example: If you're on a point 1 of the scale at €30,000 and point 2 is at €33,000. The 1% increase will be €30,300 and €33,330. The new scale applies from June. If you stay on point 1, then your salary increases by €300. If you move to point 2, then your salary increases by €3,330.
Thanks for the response that's good to know!
Its official from Government.We are worse off than someone on Jobseekers
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/people-on-welfare-see-incomes-increase-by-higher-rate-than-those-in-employment-oireachtas-study-shows/a389737558.html
The increase for those in employment is 1.8pc for 2023/24, with public servants faring the worst, because their real incomes will grow by just 0.5pc in the period to the end of this year.
Needless to say, 0.5% goes nowhere near compensating for how much we got screwed under the last deal…
I tried getting a response from the union rep. First question to me was are you in the union? Wouldn't answer the question 😁
Are you in the union?
Its official from Government. We are worse off than someone on Jobseekers
Ah yes, a single snapshot of a single year is a good way to compare things.
As inflation disproportionally effects the lower paid, a higher real increase makes sense. My real percentage increase is lower than someone on the lower rate of tax because more of mine goes to tax.
This shouldn't be Public Servants v those on welfare that the media always tries to stir up.
You're not saying the government got it wrong ...are you? 🤣
Agreed. We diminish our integrity when we kick at the jobless in order to advocate for ourselves, using a small snapshot of cherrypicked data designed to stoke outrage.
I don’t see where I’ve said that at all. I’m sure what the government presented is factually correct. I’ve no reason to doubt the figures.
It’s the narrative around it that I disagree with.
Forget about this 'kicking the unemployed' nonsense.
A 0.5% increase in real wages after what happened the last few years is in no way acceptable, and much of the current deal is front-loaded so it's not going to get better.
There's 3% next year + the 1% local bargaining clause compared to 4.25% this year. I wouldn't call that particularly front loaded. Infact, go back a few pages, most people complained it wasn't front loaded enough.
None of that goes anywhere near making up for the fall in real wages over the last deal.
As it is bigger than inflation, it clearly chips away at it.
Anyone know when the first installment will show up in payslips (HSE)?
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