Yeah the snowflakes without cars and/or those with a disability could do with a bit more lampooning here.
I saw a Centra down the country where they have located the RVM in the car park which is across the road from the shop.
Main advantage is you can park right beside it and do the business.
A problem maybe on a wet day with wind blowing the rain in under the canopy.
Anyone else tired of the 'it works in Germany, blah blah blah' ?
This isn't Germany!
Mostly I think it was the teething problems with the products being unrecognised.
that's a complete mis-use of the word "just".
a correct use would be "i just put my container in the nearest recycling bin after, and moved on with my life, instead of having to keep a collection of rubbish i need to carry around with me to deposit in a machine that might work"
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https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-change-troubled-re-turn-32885242
This scheme was set up to make money for people who run it.
If it was even remotely pro-environmental it would not reject bottles or cans without logo. It would accept them perhaps without compensation or with symbolical 1c reward. Maybe not exactly a gainer with plastic bottle but rejecting aluminium cans which do have scrap value only show that people running scheme are interested in quick buck only.
p.s. If machines suddenly start eating all cans I expect some compensation for improving this already profitable business idea.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-change-troubled-re-turn-32885242 Could get very interesting & there I was thinking it was Europe that made us do it.
We already have recycle bins for houses which did the same job. It would have cost less money and hassle for the government to require local cocos and workplaces to provide separate bins for recycling.
Why put people through inconvenience of this bullshit when there's a recycling bin about 4 metres from my back door.
Cannot fathom the stupidity of this scam
Because to improve it would cost someone else more money instead of the public.
Now you would expect some middle ground here for a scheme like this:
- option to refund deposits to IBAN
- bulk return machines beside local bottle banks
- sensible and fair exceptions. e.g. home delivery (still allow deposit to be claimed)
- accept crushed containers (Australia do it)
- automatically print a voucher if RVMs go out of order
and on and on it goes
Re-Turn is so far in favour of suppliers / big retailers you cant even see the middle ground. Comical really.
But im paying for my bins. It aint costing any dude anything but this dude here👋
Exactly but the collection / recycling numbers need to go up for EU targets. Up from 60% to 90%. How a member state does that (and how much it costs the customer) is up to that member state.
Contrary to what some want everyone to believe the EU did not force Re-Turn on us. There is massive scope for making it a fairer scheme.
Is someone really trying to jam that stupid phrase "snowflakes" into the discussion?
Fuckin hell…
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Do german homes have recyling bins a few metres from their back door? Cause if they don't, bollix to this claim
I don't think this con job ever really had much to do with the EU, to be honest.
It's a typical Treasure Ireland scam.
This has zero chance of success.
Local labelling is entirely allowed under EU rules and has been tested in the top courts before, challenges always failing.
No they dont. Constantly gets pointed out on here when comparing us to other countries. Never gets refuted / debated because its 1 of the most idiotic aspects of this scheme.
Heres a German comparison for you. Would the Germans have created Re-Turn if everyone was already paying for a recycle wheelie bin at their back door? Not a chance.
Germans would definitely not do both.
They don't like waste. Especially wasting their money and time
They do have domestic recycling bins in Germany.
I think the average German home has six bins; „Mülltrennung“
German efficiency is a myth these days, just try use Deutsche Bahn or try to deal with the state itself.
As far as I understand, in Germany other cans (non-German) are accepted in their RVMs, they just don't give a refund. But foreign cans can still be sold there. Why not here? (I know we're not Germany but there's no reason why solutions which work elsewhere can't work here). Seems like a good way for the Big Businesses here to fix prices between them with little to no outside competition possible...
Incidentally.. who's going to police that the cans & bottles comply?
We had about 30 plastic bottles of varying sizes collecting here at Chez JK. I took them up to our local Tesco on Wednesday last in the expectation given this thread that there would be a problem....none whatsoever.
The machine accepted all the bottles. I think the issues with this scheme have been over-exaggerated - if you follow the instructions and use them properly, they work.
My sister, who lives on the Continent has been using them for over 15 years. We are, as always, a little behind in Ireland.
Takeaways I've been to recently all selling foreign cans. No re -turn label.
Surely the free market allows that?
We are ahead of some countries in this case. Portugal is among a number of countries yet to go live, they should be 2025.
https://sdrportugal.pt/en/how-does-the-drs-work/#:~:text=For%20the%20consumer%2Dcitizen%2C%20the,is%20fully%20refundable%20upon%20return.
From 1 June 2024, all drinks containers included in the scheme will have a Re-turn logo and registered barcode.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/waste-and-recycling/deposit-return-scheme/#:~:text=You%20will%20not%20be%20charged,use%20Re%2Dturn's%20barcode%20checker.
Label rules are a national competency. Go try sell a drink with the ingredients in English only in France for instance
So shops, takeaways etc cannot buy cans/bottles from other eu countries?
Recent takeaway I was at had coke cans from Poland.
They can buy them but they must have a logo and barcode and be part of DRS.
They have until this day week to sell off the Polish stock.
Retailers cannot breach local labelling laws, yes
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