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And now this..
This all seems very odd from when Russia was making gains last month and pushing UAF back.
I think its fair to say the Western aid finally arrived in large quantities?
Something about it here-
That fat **** Lavrov knows where the UN building in New York is, he is welcome to lodge a UN proposal for immediate security council consideration for immediate ceasefire and UN peacekeeping which I doubt anyone would vote against or veto.
Oh that’s right Putin doesn’t actually want peace now but breathing room to complete his internal purges before refocusing outwards again
We agree. Under one condition. Immediate cessation of all Russian hostilities and withdrawal from Ukraine.
Russia can have peace tomorrow, nothing and no-one will stop them.
Until then all suggestions of "negotiations" are usually from disingenuous hypocrites and Kremlin hoors.
It will be 3 years when Trump is inaugurated.
The first 3 years without Trump will decide things more than he can in any way.
He is whatever he is, not everything that is or has been, there is more to the world than him.
Pushing the negoatiations now? Putin can have negotiations once he withdraws to the 1991 borders. Point 1 - Russia to pay for Ukrainian reconstruction.
I think it might be for trumps benefit. If he wins in November, then he can say there's a peace deal and he'll withdraw all aid unless it's accepted. He can blame ukraine for wanting war.
I watched the whole thing. It's…. illuminating. It just sounds like a meat grinder where they're sending men to die.
If Putin wanted a ceasefire he can submit a proposal to the UN Security Council where UN enforce peace all along the border.
What we have right now is kite flying and groundwork being laid for his army of propagandists and useful idiots to blame everyone but Russia for the ongoing war he started
Yip bur here is the big rub for putin. He negotiates for the current lines but gets offered less bak. The rest of ukraine is then a member of nato immediately. So if he fcks around and trys to take more he then be attacking nato which he wont. To an extent u have putin by the balls .. if he disagrees with that, all bets are off
Yeah, but Putin's preconditions for Negotiations are to conceed and withdraw from the full territory of four oblast that Russia "annexed".
And it was tried before, multiple times, only for Putin to break agreements, multiple times
Nothing short of immediate NATO membership or a UN presence right along whole border as a condition for ceasefire will do
It's just a way for Putin to say he would have stopped the war, but the evil nazis didn't want to negotiate. And maybe fool a few westerners into thinking Ukraine doesn't need any more support, since soon there will be peace negotiations. Russia lies.
Absolutely. Negotiations are needed asap to stop this madness
This maybe worth pursuing, getting putin and co to the table. What he is looking for is a start point that cud be countered with less of that area than he wants plus Ukraine fully joins EU and NATO. And if this is a buffer zone there is some sort of UN mission there? Also re likes of crimea .. something like Northern Ireland .. a Gfa thing where everyone has right to be who they want and at some pt a vote held as to whether it wants to be part of russia or ukraine/eu.
Add to that, Russia pays for all the rebuild etc.
I dont see anything wrong with decent talks like this but russia does not get all it wants by long shot. At least its a start
Good news it seems
Putin created (right after his “election”) the Moscow and St Petersburg military districts a few weeks ago, the men here won’t be “shielded” for long
Another reason Russians should be banned from travelling to Western civilised countries, the Russians doing the travelling be from these areas and it would remind them that there is an illegal war on in their names
Anyways… the purges will continue until morale improves
Actually, I'm not too sure that he is still "shielding" the people of Moscow and St.Petersburg… Certainly, the elites are still a protected species, (currently maybe not the military elites,,,they are an endangered species at the moment) but I'd say that quietly, conscription is taking place within these two cities amongst "classes" of people. The ones less likely not to make too much fuss about it and can safely be ignored.
Terrible that he mentions soldiers coming from Nepal, Cuba, India and himself from China. Despite facing a brutal death.
As long as the regular people of Moscow and St.Petersburg aren't impacted by this "special military operation", Putin can continue with it.
Trust nothing that comes out of either the Kremlin or its boss, Putin. These kinds of "offers" show that he's getting desperate. Talks about his being magnanimously prepared to stop the war if he's allowed to keep his ill-gotten gains is simply rewarding him for his robbery. And, neither will that be the end of it either, because the leopard does not change its spots.
Very good video, and at the end, famous last words (possibly literally) "we cannot win this war, the price in human lives is simply too high". I wonder how many countries it can be seein in? Would do wonders for slowing down Putin's foreign and indeed home recruitment.
The only way for peace with Putin around is deterrence.
Honestly, if in Feb 2022 the collective West had just said that they would assist Ukraine, this whole war probably wouldn't have ever happened.
Add the destruction of the early warning, over the horizon ICBM detection radar to the list
I will echo this too. Regular Chinese people can often be simply fantastic & friendly. I count some really good friends from China. But yea..politics either isn't a thing for many, or if it is they're very much subscribed to Beijing's messaging.
It does sound like he wants to cash in, the Ukrainians are going to be far better equipped very soon, and the resolve in the west is hardening, in Europe at any rate. The war has been an utter disaster from his point of view, he could easily have been toppled last summer, but if he ends it now he can leave while maintaining power.
I'm guessing the midget knows now he won't measure up to Peter the Great, an aspiration which in the first place shows how mad he is.
I've worked with several Chinese people abroad, and they were great people to be with, that is until the conversation turned to China, and then the shutters come down! No further discussion.
Pretty much this.
This ceasefire statement is potentially good news. But not for the obvious reasons of Putins statement. Not because there could be a ceasefire on current lines.
But because of why Putin is saying it. If anyone remembers when we were in the middle of US aid to Ukraine being in doubt. Putin was asked about a ceasefire and his answer was(and I'm paraphrasing here): "Why would we stop now when there's no US aid and we're winning?"
This is simply the flipside of that coin.
This is no time to talk peace. It's time to double down. You want a ceasefire? Out of Ukraine you go. All of it. Anything short of that would be an historic and monumental WW3 inciting mistake. I just hope Western leaders don't relax or pay any heed to this. I really do.
just as Ukraine are about to be able to strike inside russia…..
The ease with which almost a billion worth of an S400 defence system got swatted out of existence is something else (The Turks must looking on with amazement at how bad the decision to buy these is now looking in retrospect)
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/A03NOMh9A8
Sure it must be true - we've been hearing for more than two years that Putin would be quite happy to negotiate a ceasefire … if only Ukraine would accept his terms, completely and without question.
I don't know why any supposedly reputable news outlets bother reporting this kind of nonsense.
Meanwhile, on the not-sure-if-reputable network, there's talk of the Russians pulling their aircraft and associated operations out of Dzhankoi for the safety of places more to the east and south. Seemingly the spate of recent "arrivals" across the whole of Crimea, targetting air defence in particular, has persuaded them that keeping planes and pilots in the centre of the peninsula is no longer a good idea. (Sorry, can't provide the link as my FY-Elon workaround is very flaky this week)
If there's any truth in the Reuters story, maybe, just maybe, Putin has started receiving unvarnished reports of the situation and recognises that he's very close to losing more than he gained with his Feb22 madness, so needs to cash in while he still can.
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