Indeed that’s possible but in this very website in the ecars thread and other EV threads there are plenty people saying they don’t wanna depend on the public infrastructure. Anyway that would be a box I’d have to have ticked by an EV- I just wouldn’t want to be depending on public chargers.
Yeah, unlike you I don't accuse people of making things up with no backup.
Has it ever occurred to you that people will only be exercised to share their experiences when they're bad ones? For every one of those there's a slew of happy campers who never feel the need to share their experiences.
Mine are as stated. Once had to shufti down the road to the next charger which had both units free.
Last week I went to Leitrim. Probably the worst county for chargers in Ireland. Stopped in Ballinalack for a bite. Stuck the car on the 150kW charger there while we ate, didn't need to but sure it was free and I'd need a charge at some point. The other charger was also free. On the way back both chargers free, but I didn't need to stop.
reading about and real world experiences are too different things. In 2 years and 60,000 km the only negative charging experience I had was in Monaghan. And the morning after a wedding in Castle Leslie. But I believe Monaghan has had some chargers added since.
You don’t hear good stories. Only bad ones,
Maybe it was a kilometre. If you have the time, maybe you'd get up Google maps and measure the distance between the Lidl and Tesco in Wicklow town.
Plug&Charge cars can do it outside of Ionity they're just the only operator in Ireland. BP Pulse in The Netherlands support it as do Electrify America in the US. There's other CPO's around Europe that support the standard.
With cars able to support the standard the challenge is on to the CPO's to implement it, vehicle manufacturers can't force companies they don't control to implement something, perhaps regulations can.
All EU DC charge points deployed after April 13th this year have to support payment cards, if someone claims that having to pay for something using a bank card is a barrier to buying themselves an EV then they are really clutching at straws.
Didn't mean to offend but I’ve read of:
people not being able to connect to chargers,
Chargers out of service
Que’s for chargers
Chargers being ICED
I have also seen some of these scenarios. I mean just read the ecars thread, thaeres plenty of complaints, I’m not making it up 😂
Not lying but suggesting that it's normal to find another charger 700m away is misleading.
Very true. Those calculations are from 6 weeks ago prior to the latest Tesla price cut on the M3. Only update since then was to amend the price per litre for fuel.
I thought a reasonable resale value for a €30k car bought today and sold in 3 years time would be €18k (assuming 50k on clock when bought + 150k added over 3 years = 200k on clock in 3 years time…by then car will be 5 years old).
Even if it dropped to €15k then the next 2 year old EV I buy in 3 years time could in theory be less than the €30k my assumptions are based on as the market drops in sync.
Well that's more than a tad arrogant. Please feel free to tell me where I'm lying.
I think you maybe looking at that through rose tinted glasses there.
Horror stories? Really? The closest thing to horror I've experienced is mild annoyance when the charger I intended to use was occupied and I had to travel another 700m down the road to another one.
Yeah but as I’ve explained in my posts all at the 15k price point won’t suit anyone doing medium to long range business driving.
yeah I’d say when this insignia breaks (who knows I may get more than 2 more years out of it- equally I may only get 2 days! 😂), I’ll have to see what’s available at the 15k EV price point and make a call then. Can’t see many teslas available at that price.
ah I don’t really want to depend on the public charging infrastructure tbh as I’ve heard and seen horror stories- plus it’s a lot more expensive. I wouldn’t mind having to do it once in a while but not every trip. Just for my own info- the kona has a bit of clearance doesn’t it? As in height off the ground compared to an insignia for example?
If someone posted "…I prefer the convenience of 800km range and 3-4min refill time…". do you reckon they bought diesel or petrol?
The money shouldn't be an issue. There are thousands of used EVs for sale on DD ranging from bangernomics prices all the way up to 50-60k. Massive choice in the 10-20k range too, Zoes, Leafs, Ioniqs, eGolfs, Konas etc.
I've learnt so much about ICE car sales and what ICE cars people have since I started reading the EV threads.
what's your use case that required two ice vehicles?
well obviously - EVs are perfect for anyone with the money to spend and can work with within the range.
the county of registration for EVs reflect the private commuter use case, largely. ie it’s very much disproportionate to Dublin and surrounding commuter counties.
on a related note:
https://x.com/GerHerbert1/status/1785637551744692647
A large increase in imports in April, but only 3% of them were EVs
Perhaps in your case. But with around 60k BEVs in a fleet of around 2.5 million, there has to be a hell of a lot of use cases out there that do work.
”now any use case can be catered for by the new market”
If this were even remotely true, we’d all be buying EVs.
Many will claim it’s an education gap and ‘EV fud’, but in reality their use cases are not actually catered for. we bought two petrol cars in our house in Jan and March, purely because our use cases were not at all catered for by the new EV market. again its just my own experience, a sample size of one
Interesting, I'd like to see that actually in practice on Ionity because supporting a standard doesn't automatically mean the car can actually take the payment itself, it must have SW for that i.e. active user account with a card linked to it just like a Tesla. But I'm talking more about the UX, not only about the Plug Ang Charge/AutoCharge as per the ISO 😀 Basically - plug, charge, and drive away, the car does the payment, and no apps or cards are needed. Tesla does that on the SuC, ISO or not ✅ Yes, it can't do it elsewhere, but neither can PnC cars do it outside of Ionity. All manufacturers must provide the same UX by default. Charging must be as easy or even easier than refuelling an ICE car. All the fobs, apps, cards etc are too complicated. Unless and until they can work with the CPOs or at least with their own Ionity and fully implement it they are worse than Tesla in UX.
Decent calculations. Just be careful with the residual value, that's very hard to predict. EV prices are expected to drop, also the battery tech is evolving fast. This is one of the reasons for FUD too IMHO. It's perceived as a bit risky to buy a developing tech. Car is a depreciating asset. It is challenging to estimate the depreciation for a car tech in a rapidly evolving tech & regulatory landscape. So much has changed since 2018 in EVs, will the change be smaller, the same, or larger between 2024 and 2030? Who knows. Saying that the same applies to ICE in the current rapidly evolving landscape too - who knows what taxes will be put on ICE or fossil fuels in 2-6 years?
I'd say you'd be better off in 2 years time rolling over into another diesel for a few more years. To pick up the same as you have now wouldn't cost more than 5k, maybe even less?
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-insignia-nct-tax-only-2950/36755951?campaign=3
A 350k to 400k round trip would be pushing it, but it's hardly the end of the world to pull in for a fifteen minute splash and dash on the way home.
I don't know what the FUD people hear, probably they hear FUD😀 I'm not aware of any issues with parts… Manufacturers can't do much to increase uptake apart from getting more efficient and competitive. But they are let's say lukewarm. There are exceptions like Volvo or JLR that are going full electric but those are small or niche brands. Why are China and Norway so successful in EV uptake? Because of gov policy not because of manufacturers doing a or b.
In the depths of winter at motorway speeds though? (120kph)
I'd say the Hyundai Kona 64kWh would come close and there are a few on sale right now around your budget.
Well it depends on whether the existing 15k you have is borrowed or not. Assuming not then borrowing the other 15k from the credit union over 4 years will cost €366 (8.25% APR 🤕) per month, less with AIB green loan.
1200km a week is what I do sometimes which would cost me circa €50 (85% home charging). I currently shell out close to €140 on fuel.
As soon as I'm able to I'll be jumping into a 2022 M3.
FTR...these are my workings based on my usage, tariff, car etc...
Ah grand I thought you were saying you disagree with me as there were examples of what I’m looking for. Apologies.
