That’s your job, we can see right through you 😁
Personally I'm not buying a diesel until it has 5k of range and I can fill it without stopping, costs 1K and only appreciates.
In other news
and apparently Ashford Motors still couldn’t sell any
Sure I do that going to visit my granny once a week. You dont have to be having to do it every day for it to be an issue.
More FUD.
Its in the owners handbook for EVs. Not suitable for visiting Grannies. There's also a similar warning on the Granny charger.
Not entirely sure why the sales figures don't break down sales by cars used (or able) to visit Grannies.
It must be exhausting spending so much time trying to persuade people to buy something they don't want. I admire your resilence
My post you quoted literally tells people to buy what they want.
Not entirely sure why you'd post a straw man in response.
The woke EV illuminati strike again!
The counter argument to that is the same posters keep going on about how it’s shocking people still drive diesel and that there’s an EV for everyone- which there isn’t. So it’s fair enough for people to retort those posters claims as false.
you know this is the EV & Hybrid section, right?
Can you quote the post says it's shocking to drive a diesel and theres an EV for everyone (whatever that means).
Can you explain what "woke" has to do with my comment?
"...alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination.."
you know this is the EV & Hybrid section, right? You don't want one, thats lovely, I'm fairly sure no one gives a toss. Have you so little going on in life that this is what gives you some measure of enjoyment?
Mod Note: Stick to discussion of 2024 EV sales, no need for another thread arguing about loaded terms
And yet Im continuously reading negative views expressed about PHEV/Hybrid on here. Nothing wrong with that btw, people are entitled to their opinions
Where is the strawman?
oh I thought this was a public forum?
This:
It must be exhausting spending so much time trying to persuade people to buy something they don't want.
He literally (in the literal meaning of the word) told people to buy what they want. The strawman is pretending he said the opposite and trying to argue that.
No he told an individual poster to buy what he/she wants which is certainly a step in the right direction.
Speaking of strawmen 🤣
Well in our place we have a car allowance and mileage. So people have got whatever they want. Most engineers and salespeople are on EVs. Tesla the most popular with salespeople, although now that there's more options being released every month, there's almost as many other brands in the last year, as Teslas. A few BMWs, BYDs, Kias, Hyundais. Still a few ICEs, but getting less and less, pretty much everyone upgrading is going EV. Field engineers mostly EVs, bigger spread of brands though, and less of the saloon types (no BMWs, BYD Seals), more SUV/hatchbacks. Pretty much everyone sees the fuel savings as a major plus, and having to take 20mins to charge, on company time, isn't an inconvenience at all. It's getting easier and easier every month, as plenty of locations where you'd stop for breakfast/lunch anyway have EV chargers installed. EVs are no-brainers for us.
A company that is supplying the vehicles under a scheme will have to work out what brands/models they offer that fit their requirements, same as most companies do now with ICEs.
Sure, and I still do too. I never said nobody does.
Those that do still have another 10+ years of driving diesels if they want, 6 to buy a new one (at least), and maybe some manufacturer will bother to come up with a 1000km range EV for the tiny edge case crybabies that are incapable of stopping for 20mins to charge during the working day. Realistically though pretty much no manufacturer is going to do it, and the focus is/will be on faster charging (800V/250kW+), along with the continued rollout of more charging stations. I'm sure by the early 2030s, those that have to drive from Belfast to Cork, and immediately turn around and drive home again, will get over the upsetting fact that they might have to stop the car for a little while at some point. Until then, they can keep driving their diesels.
The meaning of the word "someone" appears to elude you.
And those aren't strawman arguments. They're reductio ad absurdum.
Thanks for the latin lesson welcome or otherwise
The original point was simply that if there were affordable EV's capable of 400km winter motorway range at 120kmph - (split across one or many return journeys!), then the range and price arguments would largely be satisfied for the vast majority of drivers.
It’s a thread about marketwide EV sales - reducing it to each posters individual requirements is all moot.
The question is simply: if EVs arent selling right now, then what needs to change to satisfy the broader market? Range and price have improved recently, but need to improve more.
unlikely, they would then want 600km. Also whats affordable? what ICE car are you holding up as the end goal for EVs?
hardly any more exhausting than telling people who own an EV and have experience of living with one, who also have the same experience of ICE vehicles, why EVs don't work.
A very balanced approach by the company. Let people make up their own mind..no brow beating or banning any option. As you say at this point the majority will already opt for EVs because they are the better option for them and Im sure in the not too distant future it will be the vast majority or all. Im also sure this transition to EVs will be replicated across the broader population in the not too distant future, subject to more convenient charging options coming on stream for drivers without driveways.
Far better approach that resorting to using terms like 'cry babies' to describe people not yet willing to move to EVs.
again though - this is a thread about why EV sales in Ireland are dropping and not exponentially climbing with wide market adoption. We’re discussing what might cause that, specifically price and range. There doesn’t have to be an ICE equivalent. There’s still a massive education gap with EVs for the wider market buyer, who doesn’t care about the propulsion system of their vehicle
My first car was a 1996 ford fiesta. It was a good old endura badged kent engined 1.3 petrol. And I loved that yoke. Its range on a good day was 350km. Another favorite car of mine over the years was my GMC sierra 1500. 5.7 v8 petrol. Its range on a good day was about 400km. One of my current EVs, a base model Tesla, can exceed both of those without charging, or at worst, a 10 minute stop if it's all motorway.
We're already past the point of per tank range, it's now back to the fuel up time.
(PS, I have 3 EVs but for fun I drive my w210 6 cylinder petrol merc, I play both sides of this debate)
