I'm guessing it was 8 cans of 500ml beer at 15c a can equaling the €1.20 added deposit.
Interesting because most beer cans attract a 15c/can charge, what were you buying that it was attracting a 25c charge?
I don't know of any internationally used scheme that can bring our recycling rates to 90% or indeed any countries recycling rates to that level. No country in the world is getting to that level of recycling.
Allow me to enlighten you. Return rates on in-scope products in places where DRS has been introduced
Logic would suggest that introducing one here would yield results between 82% and 98% depending on how good the scheme is
I've been very ambivalent about the scheme, but turned up yesterday with at least 20 bottles (my first time to use the machine). Most of the bottles were rejected saying it didn't accept the barcode, some of them took several attempts to to be read… It kept spitting out tickets even though I wasn't finished. Ended up with about a euros worth of credit.
Wasn't worth the effort put in. I brought the remaining bottles home and put them in the green bin.
Some good value items seem to be disappearing from the shelves in Dunnes also, which I expect related to this scheme.
A German non alcoholic beer Gerstel that was under a euro gone.
Own brand Italian style sparkling water.
I notice Dunnes have taken the opportunity to rip off the consumer as part of this new process…the 6 x 2L of water was always around the 2.65 mark, it is now over 3 euro plus deposit. I switched to the 5L bottles when the DRS came in but so did a lot of others, have not been able to get 5L of water in Dunnes for a few days now. Everyone wins with the DRS except the consumer.
But you would have to check the bottle or can to see whether it has the new logo. Listing the base price and the add on alerts me to the fact that it is an item in the scheme.
Haven't been following the thread, but a few observations on this. Like a lot of people I'd say, I completely ignored this scheme until quite recently. So, I think it will have to run for at least a year before you know what the recycling rate ends up as.
My own experience has been positive. The few times I brought empties, the machines accepted them, gave me a voucher and I used the voucher in the shop (though the shop assistant had to get help to figure it out first).
Two other things I noticed. One a guy on the bus with a huge bag of recycling. Nice to see, but I can imagine the frustration if when he got to the store, the machine wasn't working. That would take the good out of it very quickly.
Second, was watching a small group of teenage boys in the usual teenage boy, black "uniform", dutifully feeding bottles into a machine. Don't want to tar all teenage boys, but it's amazing what a small financial incentive can make people do.
As for the article in the IT today, I don't doubt the experience of the people in it, but it's hard to imagine a harder case, to judge a scheme like this on.
Did two 25 cent empties at local Aldi today. No delay. I noticed the Aldi machine makes a noise which I assume is the bottles being crushed. The Tesco machine did not make a noise like that. Aldi are still selling one litre plastic bottles of soda water with no 25 cent charge. Old recycle logo on them, not the one designed for these machines.
Yeah I got caught at the checkout with that one. Handed it back straight away.
It's crazy. It needs to be clearly listed. The product price and then in large letters the overall price including the extra charge.
It's like shopping in Musgrave's cash and carry again. Or America.
I find it quite poor that the price of the deposit isn't baked into the larger of the two prices. When you're walking around the supermarket you often don't have the time to examine everything in detail. The large price you see should be the price you're going to pay at the til. Instead of €4.85 this is actually €6.65.
I see.
I thought you were serious there for a minute.
In the interest of the environment and saving the planet we should set up a scheme whereby people are rewarded for returning bottles. This should be funded from general taxation. There is plenty of money there to do it.
Come on mate. If the environment is as important as they are making out it would be well worth it.
But hey, we all know this is BS. All of the world power increasing their carbon footprint. What we do on this island makes zero difference. Nothing.
That's all been gone over in the thread several times.
It's quite clearly laid out.
How would your voluntary scheme pay out to people who never paid a deposit ?
Well how is it funded at the moment? Who pays for the drivers, the lorries etc?
I prefer to see the price of the item I'm buying and the deposit separate.
Just on your voluntary idea, how would it be funded ?
I don't think the price of the "deposit" and the retail price of an item should be separated. Put them in together. So people can clearly see that 12 bottles of sparkling water are now nearly 7 euro in tesco.
More bad press for it today in the nationals. It's a shambolic implementation of a poorly thought out system.
The scheme should have been voluntary with a token given for returning bottles rather than increasing the price of things. I have a recycle bin. I am being charged twice for a service I can only use once. As usual in this country it's all about the stick rather than the carrot.
The price of the item and the deposit are supposed to be clearly and separately marked on the shelf.
Price of beer goes up and down all the time.
Retailers want to make the MUP price look better for offers.
Of course if you're not going north it is actually the best you can do so buy it when it drops to MUP.
Bought 8 pack of beer at local Centra and noted price was €17 and was thinking that's a bit pricey as expected price to be €16.20 with DRS. Didn't realise DRS was applied at the till making actual price €18.20! Left them back. Only in Ireland would retailers and brewers take the opportunity to price gouge when the waters are muddied with the deposit scheme.
This should be the case however we've already seen that a lot of the manufacturers and retailers have slipped in price increases alongside the deposits so they seem to be willing to roll that dice in the hope of making a bit more margin.
We have now just stopped buying cans and bottle. Tried to work with this scheme for a while but have come to the realization that it is just a scam and will cost us money in the long run. A couple of weeks ago we went up the north and as well as the usual beer haul, we brought a coke haul (i know) home with us too. When thats run out we will just stay off the coke til we go up north again and buy some more. Maybe we will even give it up altogether. But we have totally stopped buying anything in bottles or cans in the shopping now.
But our waistlines might yet be happy for this scheme. But it is a scam, no two ways about it.
I can definitely say that it has changed how I shop, to date I haven’t bought anything with the DRS deposit charge on it & there are some item which now have the deposit charge which I would have purchased regularly. Instead of a few cans of beer at the weekend for the OH, I buy bottles, which he says taste nicer, the bottle bank in our area is now open full time (in the local Co Co yard) & the area kept well so no problem with recycling bottles……
What I am suggesting is that a comprehensive review of what was working from our existing recycling schemes instead of a lazy, expensive and environmentally unfriendly scheme that looks at collection rates for a few specfic types of items while screwing over the general population would have been more beneficial.
MUP was responsible for the increase in the retail price of off licence beer.
Beer can still be bought at the MUP price (check out the Booze Bargains thread).
If you are having trouble getting deposits back on cans a handy workaround is to buy glass bottles.
No, honestly I can't think of another internationally used scheme that can bring our recycling rates to 90%+, can you?
It was a few year back, I could get 8 cans of beer for €8.95, now the same 8 cans are €15.20. Up the greens and alcohol ireland.
Some were taken the second time, there were 4 non DRS containers (beer cans I had thrown in), the rest looked the same as the others. Apologies QR code/Barcode, whatever, I paid the deposit on them, they had the return/recycle logo. I had presumed the code was the QR code that Coke have on their cans. The beer cans I paid the deposit on but obviously an error in the shop, they had no markings for return. Not giving out, i don't actually care that much.
Hard to believe in 2024 we have to enter a barcode into a computer to find out if we are entitled to our €.15
Not sure it'll get that far though, as the manufacturers, distributors and retailers will be on the war path if their sales figures are falling, jobs are being lost and Revenue won't like the fall in consumer taxes.
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