The EQE? How much are they? 65k right? I’m fairly sure most people couldn’t afford that 😂
I think it was only a temporary drop in price and applied to existing dealer pre reg models or stock already in the country. Apparently there is a new bigger battery version coming to succeed the existing one. I doubt the price will be as low.
what sort of drop, hadn’t really been tracking them as I think they were up on €100k at some point yes? Which in fairness is a huge price drop, and puts it more sensibly priced to the e-class
Yea around that depending on spec, wouldn't have considered one only for the big price drop, took it for an hour test drive. Very comfortable car.
What are they, about €65,000?
See the post above.
What EV does 400km in “all seasons”?
At 120kph? How much does that EV cost?
New and secondhand?
I'd be surprised if the eqe 300 couldn't do it. I've 4000km up in 3 weeks and haven't needed a charge outside home. Seems to take the motorway in its stride. Came back from a roundabout trip with 70k left and that was around 2/3° on a windy day and just shy of 400km covered with all seats full.
Thank you for your honesty
Everyone is different, but 400km of subzero winter motorway range 120kmph and I’m in. 200km each way journey. It’s pretty simple. can even one EV do that currently? I’ve had an M3 LR and it could do around 370km at 120kmph, so I’m assuming no others can achieve similar.
Just bought a new petrol car, I don’t do the mileage to have meaningful fuel savings (versus the overall cost of ownership), and the means of propulsion of the car doesn’t bother me either.
I prefer the convenience of 800km range and 3-4min refill time. I will see again in 3 years time where EVs are at though for sure.
Does anyone have a copy of the survey questions?
I guess EV sales are following the usual 'Hype Cycle' which applies to any new technology, this is from 2018:
source: https://flipthefleet.org/2018/what-information-most-helps-people-to-decide-to-buy-an-ev-1-click-survey-23/
That doesn't tally with what the SIMI reported in early April.
41% drop in EV sales yoy ending March 24
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/ireland-faces-uphill-task-of-meeting-ev-targets-in-2030-as-sales-fall/
I'm intrigued by the trust issue. Is this the 'Rise of the EVs' type of trust issue or the more mundane 'it said it had 300km range, but after driving up a hill said it had zero' type?
Its not about need it's about want. Who needs a 400 to 500bhp EV? Yet many want them. The most powerful ICE I ever owned was 180bhp and I thought it was pretty powerful and fast and yet I was turning up my nose at a 300bhp EV. I find it strange that EV owners mock people who want 700km range yet think it's perfectly rational to want a 300+bhp family hatchback. Each to their own.
Also averages are not a good way to understand 'range want'. Just because someone only does 15k km per year does not mean thy would be happy with a low range 100km EV. Again I emphasise want because thats how a lot of people buy cars. I know in the past some Irish people loved cheap and cheerful 'Paddy spec' new cars probably because they prioritised the new plate over everything else which is why a lot of used car buyers turned to the UK for decent specced used cars. Thankfully these days people have higher expectations in the new car market especially as the UK market is no longer an option. Please, please people buy long long range EV cars so I can trade up into one 3 o 4 year later.…think of the used car buyer
Yeah that's where im at also. I'm going to drive my diesel Passat until it falls apart (should be good for another 5-6 years) and then i'll buy electric when they are more relevant to my daily life. Just can't be trusted at the moment.
yes we really don’t need 700 km. we were saying yesterday that we don’t need the 450 km ish even on our car. It’s a different mentality.
Only really saw the slipstream first hand once, before I had an EV I was driving the A6 on an empty motorway in Christmas EV and a guy right up behind me. Misinformed obviously as even when I sped up, he sped up to keep with me. Hyundai Ioniq
Sure if there's a power cut the local petrol pump isn't working either.
I'd say price will eventually cure any insecurities, anything with a decent range is still pretty expensive.
1st question everyone asks after is it electric, is how far does it go, one chap asked me the other day do I have to drive behind trucks like he sees a lot of them do.
Those lads trying to slipstream aren't do the market any favours.
It not what people "need". It's what will make their minds at ease.
People are strange creatures. They will say "what if there's a power cut" and base a purchasing decision on something that will rarely happen (most power outages are fixed in a few hours)
Or on the once or twice they will have a long journey.
Scaremongerers jump on those insecurities and create fear.
You don't need 700km and quick charging. That's 182,000km a year just working Monday to Friday. What's the average car doing,16,000km a year or so. A solid 400km in all seasons is more than plenty for most people and we're already there.
How much range do you think you need?
The surge in sales will come with a combination of 700km+ range and quick charging.
And that is around the corner.
Chinese car IM L6 Max launching next month has a solid state battery with near 800km range and 400km charge in 12 minutes.
That will become standard in the next generation models in 2025 and 2026 and once range anxiety is gone, sales will soar.
Certainly, I'll wait for better range but will definitely go ev when that better range comes
Funnily enough, I was enticed out of a decade long obsession with 520d MSports into an Ioniq 6. Perhaps it's not business class, but it's certainly long range.
I'm not sure if you'll find many of the business class folks on Boards though. They are probably silently getting on with buying a Mercedes EQS, ID7 or Polestar I suspect once their normal 3 year ownership cycle comes around.
When the i5 reaches price parity with one it'll be a no brainer. I can't see that happening though. How many drivers are emptying a full tank in a 520d every day..
What would you consider an example of a business class longe range EV that would entice folks out of their 520d’s ?
It should already be a serious consideration, I'm on the board gas .27cent 24 hr rate, nothing fancy doesn't matter when I plug in the car or the tumble dryer. The last 3000km (over 14 days) cost me €159.27 without any stress and no range anxiety.
I could make it cheaper if I was bothered but I'm not, no diesel or petrol comes near that cost.
I think the arse is going to fall out of the diesel market when the current business class long range EV's come down to used 520d money.
Are manufacturers passing through these battery savings (or saying that they will)? Fantastic if so but this will further depress 2nd hand prices, considerably more in all likelihood.
One above all else I think - when the price of petrol / diesel approaches and goes past €2 per litre, then the consideration of an EV will come into much sharper focus
I think a surge of EVs will happen within the next year because of a number of converging factors...........
