It not what people "need". It's what will make their minds at ease.
People are strange creatures. They will say "what if there's a power cut" and base a purchasing decision on something that will rarely happen (most power outages are fixed in a few hours)
Or on the once or twice they will have a long journey.
Scaremongerers jump on those insecurities and create fear.
Sure if there's a power cut the local petrol pump isn't working either.
I'd say price will eventually cure any insecurities, anything with a decent range is still pretty expensive.
1st question everyone asks after is it electric, is how far does it go, one chap asked me the other day do I have to drive behind trucks like he sees a lot of them do.
Those lads trying to slipstream aren't do the market any favours.
Only really saw the slipstream first hand once, before I had an EV I was driving the A6 on an empty motorway in Christmas EV and a guy right up behind me. Misinformed obviously as even when I sped up, he sped up to keep with me. Hyundai Ioniq
yes we really don’t need 700 km. we were saying yesterday that we don’t need the 450 km ish even on our car. It’s a different mentality.
Yeah that's where im at also. I'm going to drive my diesel Passat until it falls apart (should be good for another 5-6 years) and then i'll buy electric when they are more relevant to my daily life. Just can't be trusted at the moment.
Its not about need it's about want. Who needs a 400 to 500bhp EV? Yet many want them. The most powerful ICE I ever owned was 180bhp and I thought it was pretty powerful and fast and yet I was turning up my nose at a 300bhp EV. I find it strange that EV owners mock people who want 700km range yet think it's perfectly rational to want a 300+bhp family hatchback. Each to their own.
Also averages are not a good way to understand 'range want'. Just because someone only does 15k km per year does not mean thy would be happy with a low range 100km EV. Again I emphasise want because thats how a lot of people buy cars. I know in the past some Irish people loved cheap and cheerful 'Paddy spec' new cars probably because they prioritised the new plate over everything else which is why a lot of used car buyers turned to the UK for decent specced used cars. Thankfully these days people have higher expectations in the new car market especially as the UK market is no longer an option. Please, please people buy long long range EV cars so I can trade up into one 3 o 4 year later.…think of the used car buyer
I'm intrigued by the trust issue. Is this the 'Rise of the EVs' type of trust issue or the more mundane 'it said it had 300km range, but after driving up a hill said it had zero' type?
41% drop in EV sales yoy ending March 24
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/ireland-faces-uphill-task-of-meeting-ev-targets-in-2030-as-sales-fall/
That doesn't tally with what the SIMI reported in early April.
I guess EV sales are following the usual 'Hype Cycle' which applies to any new technology, this is from 2018:
source: https://flipthefleet.org/2018/what-information-most-helps-people-to-decide-to-buy-an-ev-1-click-survey-23/
Does anyone have a copy of the survey questions?
Everyone is different, but 400km of subzero winter motorway range 120kmph and I’m in. 200km each way journey. It’s pretty simple. can even one EV do that currently? I’ve had an M3 LR and it could do around 370km at 120kmph, so I’m assuming no others can achieve similar.
Just bought a new petrol car, I don’t do the mileage to have meaningful fuel savings (versus the overall cost of ownership), and the means of propulsion of the car doesn’t bother me either.
I prefer the convenience of 800km range and 3-4min refill time. I will see again in 3 years time where EVs are at though for sure.
Thank you for your honesty
I'd be surprised if the eqe 300 couldn't do it. I've 4000km up in 3 weeks and haven't needed a charge outside home. Seems to take the motorway in its stride. Came back from a roundabout trip with 70k left and that was around 2/3° on a windy day and just shy of 400km covered with all seats full.
What EV does 400km in “all seasons”?
At 120kph? How much does that EV cost?
New and secondhand?
See the post above.
What are they, about €65,000?
Yea around that depending on spec, wouldn't have considered one only for the big price drop, took it for an hour test drive. Very comfortable car.
what sort of drop, hadn’t really been tracking them as I think they were up on €100k at some point yes? Which in fairness is a huge price drop, and puts it more sensibly priced to the e-class
I think it was only a temporary drop in price and applied to existing dealer pre reg models or stock already in the country. Apparently there is a new bigger battery version coming to succeed the existing one. I doubt the price will be as low.
The EQE? How much are they? 65k right? I’m fairly sure most people couldn’t afford that 😂
I suppose the point, for what it’s worth, that if “400kms of 120kmph winter motorway driving” is a yardstick for wider adoption and remove range arguments as an issue, there’s almost no new EVs capable of that, bar a small handful of very expensive options.
The yardstick for wider adoption seems to always get longer and longer.
Is it a furlongstick now?
It definitely feels like a bargain compared to an e-class diesel, they're around 90k for 241...
Battery is plenty big enough for us Islanders, could see why they'd want a bigger one on the mainland.
Hopefully the new one keep prices solid for anyone who bought this year. I'm not sure why you'd pay 25k extra for a diesel e-class before an EQE, it makes a lot of sense for high milage drivers. You've a descent discount on fast chargers with the Mercedes charging card if you ever need a top, iOnity and ESB fast chargers are .38c per kWh.
Is there 400km of motorway with a speed limit of 120kmh in Ireland? I don't think there is
Most trips would be round trips so only 200km to do 400km. I do 250km regular motorway trip most weekends and it's mostly 120.
Cork to Belfast would be over 400km with a good chunk of it on the motorway.
The amount of people who do the Cork Belfast journey must be miniscule, even once a year.
There are three key range milestones in Ireland. Cork-Dublin, Cork-Dublin return and finally, all day driving. The last two are somewhat equivalent of one another.
At the moment, affordable/family EVs can do the first easily. I don't think there are any on the Irish market that can do the second but when the polestar 4 is available it will be very close.
When vw group release the SSP we will start to see mid level family cars at the 600km range. But that's not expected until 2027.
A good chunk yes but not 400km of 120 speed limit.
