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Can't say I'm in favor of where we're going with this. Whatever about a congestion charge like london, an outright ban seems too… cabbage ryan… for my liking.
I don't think a hi-viz is going to protect you from a 1.5ton car going 80km/h
Not if it hits you, but if the driver sees you and avoids hitting you because of the hi-viz you could say it protected you.
Based on that description then if the driver avoids hitting someone or something simply because of some of it's colour, then the driver is travelling too fast. Saying that the hi-viz is what saved the person means that the driver would otherwise have hit them which we need to start seeing that as unacceptable driving standards.
Yes, but way more of us can than currently do.
Yes, could be travelling too fast, texting, DUI, just a bad driver etc.
The pedestrian can't know the circumstances of each driver coming towards them on the road.
The Hi-Viz thing has been trotted out for the past 35 years, saves having to come up with real solutions…
There was me thinking Bluefoam was speaking tongue in cheek.
Not quite as long as 35 years.
Hi-viz and reflective were not so common until about 20 years ago.
But you make a good point about other solutions that take so long to implement.
May not have been "as common" but there was a campaign in the mid 1980's for cyclists to wear Hi-Vis
There is an old video floating around of an Irish ad telling men to carry newspapers and women to wear white shawls.
If you drive much it is nearly daily now you see people on mobiles, doing video calls, all sorts while driving.
It is hardly a "crusade" to try and get people to be more careful on the roads.
Advising people to wear hi-viz is good, whats the issue with it?
Yet daily you see people walking on roads without Hi-viz
How long has drink driving been discussed in detail yet it happens all the time
If people are not getting the message it has to be repeated, I do know the kids in school all got hi-viz jackets and education on it, so thats a start
What's your point or was that your attempt at humour?
I'm not sure what you mean by "If you drive much it is nearly daily now you see people on mobiles, doing video calls, all sorts while driving" - if you're out and you don't see someone using a phone whilst driving then you haven't really been looking. Without trying to sound sensationalist, it is absolutely everywhere. I drove about 100km today during school run times and reckon that about twenty percent of drivers that I glanced as I passed them at were either holding the phone to their head (mainly van drivers) or were engrossed in looking down at their lap.
Sorry I mean you see them all the time, one guy came around the corner on a back road close to me the other day and it looked like he was reading a map or a paper on the steering wheel
Or the people on the M50, with phone stuck on windscreen doing video calls. That is daily and it ain't for work
The number of people texting is odd, like you can do a voice message etc but all seem to be consumed with having to write a text while weaving all over the road. Crazy stuff.
You can be as safe as possible on the roads but it's all the other di*kheads which are the problem. Probably notice it more now because I have kids in car
Yes you do see people walking on roads without Hi-Viz..therefore implying they should be wearing Hi-Viz because the motorist coming around that corner at speed, under the influence of drugs/alcohol and/or browsing on social media may not see them.. So like my original point.. the underlying issues that are the causes of deaths on our roads needs to be tackled effectively by Gardai and Government..
And yes, drink driving whilst less common these days is still a factor which needs to be dealt with and is now being replaced by Drug driving..
So all the Hi-viz in the world won't stop someone operating a motor vehicle whilst speeding/under the influence unless there's a real fear of being caught by the Gards and spending a long time in prison..
we got hi viz armbands at junior school in the 70s
Remember the reflective Sam Brown belts and arm bands ?
That was pretty much the state of play back then.
Even AGS and other emergency services weren't properly kitted out until the 90s.
Wide availability of the full tabards followed.
That was it yea, Sam Brown/arm bands… 1970's/80's Hi-Vis..
No the people in the cars need to cop on. Do you want a nanny state? that is what you seem to want. Ever hear of "personal responsibility"? or do you need a politician or Garda to tell you everything?
No, however I would like the law more vigorously enforced, harsher penalties applied.. less handing out of fluorescent tabards..
I think you should apply to be the CEO of the RSA with your ideas on how to solve the increasing numbers of road deaths with a policy of just "Cop on"…
No idea what "fluorescent tabards" are?
In terms of the "cop on" well that is what I do personally if I see friends/family using phones etc while driving. Every little helps
It is of highly questionable effectiveness and far too much time, energy and money is devoted to its promotion over tackling the actual problems.
Would you like a link to Amazon for those?
Oh right, great stuff, well done you.
My point was the hi-viz nonsense from the RSA goes back a fair bit before the popularity of modern hi-viz.
Whats the alternative?
People should be able to walk on the road, well that's my opinion you might disagree, but they certainly should be able to cycle. "crusade against the motorist"? people are having a laugh. Many years ago I could cycle around when I was a kid on roads etc, now you can't let my kids on the road I had no problem on
Why? because of motorist. The crusade is against non-motorist, any small change and we have them out crying and whinging.
Moderating driver behaviour by enforcement and road architecture. Hi-viz is a good idea on unlit roads at night. Dressing kids up in hi-viz to walk along streets in the middle of the day is absurd.
I don't disagree with any of the rest of your points.
Googling fluorescent tabards is actually easier than typing
"No idea what "fluorescent tabards" are?"
So you are clearly just being antagonistic.
As you know with boards, what google says the answer is and what people think the answer is, usual is two completely different things. The person posted it and I asked for clarity, not sure why you felt the need to come in for no reason at all.
We don't have the Gardai and the people wont pay the additional taxes to have Gardai. Take a quick example, bus lane enforcement. So if you put a Garda(I think this is right way to say it) on every bus lane in Dublin that would probably be majority of the force, plus peopel would flash etc and they would end up sitting catching very few people and a waste of time. Internet would be full of abuse for them doing it as well, plus all the clowns making videos while abusing the Garda for doing their job
Trying to educate drivers is a better use of resource but not working, hence why more of a push on the bus lane enforement via cameras. Wait til that is implemented and people go mad about it while making up strange stories to go online about why they shouldnt have been finded
Walking kids during the day with hi-viz is part of the education and get them used to wearing them, my kids do it. Now if we go for a walk they will all run and get the hi-viz, so it works
