I see this figure regularly. 1200kms range from diesel. Is this absolute max figure or is it widely seen in real world?
Which diesels actually give 1200kms? I had a 65 litre tank in my last, and only, diesel (A6) which is close enough to as big a tank as it gets in anything that's not a massive SUV and I never got over 1000kms
7 litres per 100kms average over its life which gives range of about 900 or thereabouts
Smaller more efficient cars have smaller tanks do they give 1200kms due to being more fuel efficient?
I'd have to get just over 5 litres per 100kms to get 1200kms from that tank.. 55 to 60mpg.
Smaller cars would get that but wouldn't have the tank size.
Maybe I'm wrong but are most diesels.not somewhere in the 800/900 kind of range. Not that it makes a difference it's still loads
Why won't you accept that this is what the poster will do and more to the point wants to do without trying to undemine his position. This is why so many discussions end up in unnecessary arguments.
I regularly do a 350km non stop trip to West Cork and up to now always used a diesel (with the exception of a couple of disastrous attempts in a Leaf🤣). I never stop unless the kids want a toilet stop which is very much a rarity.
Next time though, as long as I can leave one at home🤞, I'll be travelling in a Model 3 which will also make it without a stop. Personally hate stopping during a journey but would do it as necessary to charge an EV. So no problem accepting that others may think the same way.
Fair. But I wasn't trying to undermine their position. It just seemed that they didn't know that a trip of that distance is quite feasible in modern BEVs without a stop. As you rightly point out in your own case.
I would be guilty of preferring to stay on the road without a stop too. But I try and fight that because tiredness is an issue and stops are advisable.
First "green" concrete truck in Dublin (note concrete itself is a big emitter)
65 litres seems a small enough tank for a car the size of an A6. My Megane III 1.5 DCi is two segments smaller and has a 60 litre tank so it would only have to do 5.0 litres per 100 km to get 1200 km and it is more than capable of that. IIRC there were times where I was getting under 4.0 litres/100 on a mix of N and R roads.
B6 & B7 passats had a 70l tank and were more than capable of 1200km on a tank. That's the first one off the top of my head but I'm sure there were many more. Actually the e60 probably had similar now that I think of it.
Also, given that a petrol Dacia Sandero with a 50 litre tank did 925 kms when tested by Autocar, it's very believable that a diesel with a bigger tank would do 1200 km.
The Sandero in question was ran dry of petrol - but as it was a dual fuel with a 40 litre LPG tank, it then switched to LPG and they reckon it could have done around 1600 km in total
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/around-world-dacia-sandero
they've actually bought 2 of them, and they'll be based in Ringsend…
That's it so, I didn't think they had a tank that size. I thought they'd be 50 max. A6 may have been 70 now that I think of it.
At the TRA2024 conference today and some impressive stats on some of the Dublin Bus fleet.
Plugin diesel hybrid seems the most useless, followed closely by the hydrogen.
Doing 1600km in a manual Dacia Sandero without stopping. My idea of hell on earth 😂
My mother in law had one, worst car I've ever driven. Even worse than a Skoda Octavia.
I could do that in my very inefficient ev, so what? no having to go out to fill up either just a stress free day before the trip.
Says the chap who extolls the virtues of "cars" like degraded Fluence ZEs and Leafs with an 80 km range. Less usable than a 1950s Morris Minor. By any objective assessment the current Sandero is a very good car for the money. If Sanderos and Octavias are the worst cars you've driven, you've lived a sheltered life!
PS what is it with with EV fans wanting to stop all the time on long journeys? Prostate gland swollen to the size of a tennis ball? Shur, might as well charge while you're at it.
In my case I suspect the coffee I sip to keep myself alert doesn't help, so I'd need to have a break after 4 hours, even if the car could still go further. That doesn't tend to happen with the EV which will rarely get beyond 350km before we need to recharge.
LOL. A degraded Leaf or Fluence can still do more range than at least 30-40% of cars in Ireland ever do. You do realise the average car in Ireland does 35km average per day? And many, many times more comfortably so than a crappy manual econobox.
OK sure, you need to do 1600 km several times a week without stopping. You and 2 other people in Ireland. Nobody is suggesting the three of you (0.0000001% of the population - although I call BS, nobody has ever done that in this country) buy any degraded EV, or any EV for that matter, even the longest range one. And nobody is holding a gun to your head. You can buy whatever you like
One wonders why people like you are you defensive. What are you afraid of? Progress / change? I guess it is only natural, most humans would like to go back to how things were in the past, most people don't like change.
Old Chinese curse: "may you live in interesting times". Well indeed, we live in very interesting times 😂
you have a strange infatuation with the dacia sandero.
Revolutionary is the NIOs 150kw solid state battery. Part of the reason is that China auto will bankrupt legacy auto.
China auto will also be first to market with a full solid state battery vehicle.
I thought it was Toyota that were gonna bankrupt everyone else with their own solid state battery which has been 'coming soon' for the last 15 years..
Its actually Toyotas's technology. But they can't come out with it suddently. Every Arab family in the middle east has a Land cruiser in their courtyard. Due to the Tie up with OPEC and also US and Tesla, they cant come up with 1200km range car sooner.
😂
The Japanese don't really invent anything. And the Chinese even less so 😂
Isn't that the car that started this debate/trollfest?
I'm always wary of cars like that because you have to wonder if the extra range comes from new battery technology or just cramming more kilowatt hours in
We'll have to wait and see how it turns out, I've no doubt it'll have plenty of range, but will also have the price to match
I do agree that Chinese EV brands are pulling way ahead and are putting western brands to shame
The Chinese brands aren't going to bankrupt European manufacturers however, they'll complain to the EU and they'll get tariffs slapped on Chinese EVs to make them more expensive
However I don't see the likes of VW or BMW doing well in China for the foreseeable future
I'm surprised no-one has talked about the layoffs at Tesla yet. Looks like a 10% personnel reduction overall with lowered production targets for the Cybertruck
There's also talk of Giga Berlin being affected with around 25% reduction. I imagine German unions and politicians will be up in arms so that might not end up being the case
Also the $25k Model 2 has been put on hold with the Robotaxi getting priority. A Robotaxi which requires a fully functional version of FSD as well as a whole bunch of legal hurdles to get through, while being a low volume vehicle by it's very nature
This seems...insane
https://www.electrive.com/2024/04/16/tesla-heads-have-started-rolling-and-musk-postpones-compact-model-development/
Tesla banked on the Cybertruck which has production woes, isn't selling as much as they thought it would and if we're being honest, isn't a very good car. There's also the Chinese cars causing a huge shakeup in the global market and the level of FUD related to EVs has gone through the roof in recent months
The story of the 25k car you speak of was rubbished by musk as well.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-scrapping-25k-car-report-elon-musk-denies-2024-4#:~:text=Tesla%20CEO%20Elon%20Musk%20denied%20a%20report%20that%20the%20electric,%2Dplanned%20more%2Daffordable%20model.
😂😂
What do you mean wanting to stop on long journeys?
It's common sense that you should stop. Driving long distances without stopping makes you a danger on the roads.
Why do think truck drivers have mandatory stops after a certain amount of hours?
When I was younger I drove non stop from Cookstown in Co.Tyrone to Dromoland Castle in Co Clare. This was 20 years ago so there was little to no motorway network. I drove through the midlands and it took me almost 5 hours. I could barely keep my eyes open at the end of the journey. Looking back and it was a ridiculous thing to do.
I drive from Dublin to inch in Kerry quite a bit and I always stop halfway to stretch my legs and make sure I'm alert for the rest of the trip.
If you're driving hundreds of Kms without stopping you're an idiot.
+1
I remember most AA type organisations on the continent have advised for many decades to do 2 hours driving, then have a 15 minute stop if you do long distance travelling
Anyone not adhering to that is bringing the safety of themselves and others into jeopardy. I'd have thought a poster like @BrianD3 who has posted numerous times about driving safety on boards, would be well aware of this.
Truck drivers are allowed drive 4.5 hours in the EU between stops.
https://www.rsa.ie/docs/default-source/services/s5.6-vehicle-resources/guide-to-eu-rules--912_drivers_hours-v2-web.pdf?sfvrsn=7a3ead76_7
Exactly this, I used to stop in Ballacolla or Cashel for 15 minutes on route from Cork to Dublin in my petrol Lexus, petrol Bmw, petrol Suburu, petrol Audi, diesel Audi, I do exactly the same in my electric M3. I stop for a quick break regardless of the fuel type.
But must stop for a minimum 45 minutes after the 4.5 hours or break it up into one 15 minute and one 30 minute stop during the 4.5 hours.
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