Approval at cabinet was given yesterday for a strategy that will see council funding tied to implementing clean air and or congestion charging by 2030 as part of the sustainability push.
Even if it is some way off, I find it hard to see how a largely regressive taxation measure is going to go down well. Or maybe 2030 is too far away for people to care?
It's funny how many people are hugely upset by congestion costs and fuel costs, and yet we still see BIG SUVs making up more than half the cars on the road, and being the most popular new cars. It's almost as if people aren't really all that worried about the cost of motoring.
Be honest, that's just a delay tactic, isn't it?
Facts?? Maybe check yourself..
Was John Gormley's Greens not in office from 2007-11?? I seem to recall they were as I canvased for them and was disgusted when they jumped into bed.
And just when was the ban on bedsits promulgated? 2009 it was and again I recall that the Greens of the day were prominent in promoting it.
How is it largely regressive. Poor people, particularly the young, the elderly etc. can't afford cars and use public transport. Charging richer people who can afford cars a congestion charge is a progressive tax.
Public transport needs to improved drastically before anything like this is introduced. Chicken and egg scenario because any of the most immediate solutions will be buses due to our lack of ability to provide new trams, metros, train lines etc.
Public transport is the best solution for my commute to work, mainly due to traffic. Car doesn't compete.
Outside of that or journeys to An Lar, public transport doesn't or will never compete with the car timewise.
Introduce the metro and subsequent metro lines before penalising people for using their car.
Bedsits were removed by the FG/Labour government, and had nothing to do with the Greens, but don't let mere facts hold back any of your complaints.
It's because we don't have a proper Bus Lane system with enforcement cameras, we don't have a protected Cycle-Lane network, pedestrians walking around the city often have to wait anything up to 5 minutes for the green signal to cross a road and even so will still have to dice with "amber gamblers", plus there's very narrow footpaths in core areas such as college green that make people think they have to buy a motor vehicle..
A congestion charge could be used to improve city streets for people not motor vehicles.
So there's going to be loads of second hand EVs going cheap? That's great news.
Who's telling you that you can't upgrade windows in a period house?
Maybe you should bring your current property up to a reasonable standard before you go extending?
Are you implementing mob rule now, that mobs get to decide who is allowed to canvass?
Yes, because we never had noise/smell problems in the good old days before the Councils reallocated all those busy traffic lanes:
The Census shows clearly that loads of people drive for journeys that are easily walked or cycled, under 4km. Lots of people have alternatives, but won't let go of their car keys for love or money.
The cost of a car, even a "bangers" is a big expense. Repairs, fuel, tax, insurance, general upkeep.
You came up with something about this been against lower income when in reality a better public transport system which will be the outcome of less traffic in city centre will be a lot better option for lower income.
Now you can jump around for another few posts but it was a poorly thought out point in the first place.
You still haven't answered how these people who drive "bangers" are in spending so much money in the city centre that it will hurt business with them not going in?
Oh no, not a political party implementing their stated policies. Utter barstewards, they are.
Meanwhile, those outside your car are forced to ingest the toxins that your car emits.
7.20pm on a windy day in late March
Very representative
They're not driving top of the range cars, just bangers hoping it doesn't break down or in need of a serious costly repair while going to work every day, These taxes are a poor tax. In reality, a proper working public system would already be in order before the taxes are brought it. The Green party are a joke and are hurting the environment agenda by being all about taxes.
No it won't, they'll pay the cost while the roads are empty for the wealthy who can afford it. Infrastructure is a mess and all the Green party seems to be doing is bringing in taxes on everything, harming the less well off. Seem **** happing with air travel, In the process to penalize low fare flyers while they exempt private jets. Sort out public transport first among other issues and then after that they could bring in taxes. They're doing it arse ways.
Bus corridors and bus lane enforcement would make a huge improvement
Will we have functioning public transport in 6 years? I doubt it somehow…
Ireland just doesn’t seem to do transit planning.
A car is extremely expensive to keep in the road without a congestion charge, so public transport is a lot cheaper
If they can’t afford to keep a car on the road or pay the congestion charge why are they in city centre spending money? It doesn’t add up does it? in reality a proper working public system will benefit lower income people more than anyone
I've worked all over Dublin city centre, and the only place I've ever stood outside work having a smoke at 11am on a Tuesday in March and not thinking to myself "where the fook are all these people driving to?" is Spencer Dock.
It must suck to be anywhere near Dublin with its horribly polluted air. Clearly our urban centres are in an air pollution emergency needing drastic measures.
Oh wait …
just like motor tax, and insurance, and petrol, and and and are levied proportional to income?
if the congestion charge actually does what it says on the tin, it will be an improvement for the less well off, because they're almost certainly most likely to be the ones on PT or scooters or what have you.
how many people on minimum wage are able to afford to park their cars in the city centre anyway?
ahem…
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/concern-over-rising-air-pollution-in-blackspots-around-dublin/40441951.html
https://www.thejournal.ie/pollution-dublin-epa-5368893-Mar2021/
https://irishcycle.com/2023/09/27/dublins-dirty-air-secret-its-officially-not-a-problem-because-its-not-being-measured/
https://www.pharmacynewsireland.com/81-of-people-believe-that-dublin-has-a-problem-with-air-pollution-asthma-society/
https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/news/480964/world-lung-day-asthma-society-calls-for-clean-air-and-for-the-nationwide-smoky-coal-ban.html
Yes, because Irish air quality is so bad and modern cars produce so much pollution. Oh wait, the actual data show that Ireland has good air quality especially urban centres: https://www.waqi.info/#/c/53.484/-8.368/6.7z
If you're going to charge the same for everyone then it'll price the less well off, off the roads, leaving them for the more rich and wealthy in society. €50 to them might be pocket change, but a person going to work a minimum wage job will be priced off the roads. People will no longer go into the centres, and all those businesses will experience a significant reduction in business.
How many people on minimum wage are driving into city centres to work anyway? I'd wager hardly any. All of the cleaners and canteen workers in places I've worked are usually foreign and cycle or take the bus.
How are you supposed to make it proportionate to income?
I don't think any company is bringing back people becase of rent
Owning and keeping a car is one of the most expensive items you have, a public transport system not help these people?
Will the charges be proportionate to income? Because if not, then it's another tax on the less well off. €50 in a minimum wage job is a lot, but €50 for a much wealthier person is pocket change.
Will the roads be only able for the rich and wealthy? I'm always for the environment, but man do the Green party here piss me off so much, They're damaging environmental cause with all the taxes that they're bringing in.
It's just all taxes with these people, and the infrastructure is terrible! Why not mandate for workers who can work from home to do so?
Lots of work out there can be done from home and will take many cars off the road, but yet we have big business trying to force people back into offices because otherwise their managers will be shown for how unless they are or the commercial rent sector will lose value if buildings are not use.
We need to have transport and other infrastructure sorted before we penalise people trying to get to work and if the charges are proportional to income then it's just another tax on the less well off.
It would be that sort of drastic move I would make, but I would extend it further than the Quays
Not to go too off topic but I work in a similar type of company as yourself and joining Teams calls when driving (obviously connecting to the meeting before beginning to drive and not whilst actually driving) is completely normal and accepted.
Back on topic, I am very happy that bus lane cameras will finally come into play, great news.
have i slept on public transport? yes, a lot. i used to get the luas from bride's glen to stephen's green in the afternoon and would usually be asleep by the time it reached sandyford. and the great thing was as stephen's green was the terminus, there was no danger of sleeping past my stop. decades ago, i used to get the 10 from terminus to terminus (NCR at phoenix park, to UCD) and had a similar experience.
it's very rare that i've been on teams calls where people have joined from cars. i think it's frowned on officially where i work (i work in IT in a large multinational).
The reason public transport isn't more door to door is because of settlement patterns - people's houses and places of work are too spread out.
Why? Because it's assumed everyone has cars. Car centric development has ultimately gotten us here to this situation where so many people have no option but to drive and sit in traffic for 90mins a day. Until we start to prioritise PT it will always be this way.
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