Just have that warm feeling of being appreciated you are paying the salaries of the top cats at ReTurn
I'm imagine a recycling truck going round with one of those RVMs built in that can take a big load of containers at once and scans them in seconds.
I wouldn't mind if there was a bin to put the bottles and the money goes to some charities.
Australian RVM scheme has touch screen donate to charity.
There is not even an RVM machine in departures.
There are just some people that couldn't give a monkeys about getting money back the amount of bottles and can (recently deposed of) on the side of our motorways.often the bottles are still half or a quarter full. It's like people go I've enough of that and throw it out the car. We are not going to change those peoples minds
Just stopped in a shop for lunch, one i dont regularly use. Spotted a baby rvm in the corner so picked up a can of Pepsi. Finished it, into the machine, got my receipt.
Bring it to the til and the lady tries to scan to give my money back. No response after three tries. She hands me back the receipt, says sorry the system is down, try again next time.
This was my fifth attempt to use this mockery, the first where a machine was actually working, and STILL i cannot my money back.
Its becoming very obvious that they have made this as difficult as possible in order to keep our money. Its pure simple government sponsored theft with the added bonus of serious environmental damage.
Under normal circumstances then yes, deposits would not be taxable.
However, if an individual were to collect hundreds of bottles from a third party - like a company - and profit from those then that would be taxable income. You are not getting 'your' money back. You are claiming back the money of a company. This is income. Financial gain.
Do you you really believe that Revenue would be okay with people doing this? potentially claiming back thousands of euros 'tax free'?
Please do stop.
Maybe then can we get a better system in place.
There are two RVMs airside in Dublin Airport, one in each terminal.
You're obviously not a green party member. If you were you'd be huckstered out the door by the armpits for such an innovative CO2 saving suggestion.
i've already spoken to revenue twice about this, the scenario you described is not what is happening.
i'm not collecting hundreds of bottles from any 3rd parties like you claim, and there is no 3rd parties involved. I am not claiming back a company's money either. you say "thousands" but i'd like to see a single thousand. If anything, what you're saying seems like a gross exaggeration.
Also deposit returns from this scheme are exempt from what you're trying to argue and classed as "non-liable". i had a citizens information and govt link open the other day about taxes and taxable income, would've came in handy here to reply with if i didn't delete my web history.
As for the last part of what you wrote, even the ceo of the return scheme clearly mentions it himself that anyone is free to pick up any cans/bottles they find thrown away and then redeem the deposits for them which is good for the environment. Infact he even suggests it. Hence dumpster diving for bottles is allowed, and also so is picking up any that are "discarded". Does not matter who discarded them. Aslong as there's no trespassing involved and the person has been given permission.
Also there is no "new wealth" being created from any of this, as all bottles returned had a deposit paid on them initially. This was already discussed in much greater detail like a few weeks back. To Cut to the chase, a person throwing away a recyclables and then someone else "finding it" and returning it to an rvm machine is not taxable and is infact encouraged to stop litter being in places where its not supposed to be. Revenue have no issue with a person getting a deposit back from an rvm on a container they found that someone else threw away. ReTurn was brought in by irish law, they've already thought of all this.
Very true, what they should do is sell non-return bottles and cans to people flying out of the country, or else just not charge them a deposit and put a spacial mark over the barcode so a deposit cannot be reclaimed on stock that was sold to them without a deposit.
Seems like a fair fix to this problem. or perhaps showing them the plane tickets to show that they are leaving the country = free exempt pass from paying the deposit? something like this can be implemented if they really wanted to. its not hard.
sure okay, but before i do i would like to know some things.
one of the things, in your opinion what is wrong with the current system? and how does myself returning cans and bottles prevent a better system from coming in place? is'nt what i'm doing a good thing? the way i see it, if there is less people returning bottles and cans, they might increase the deposit they place on items, meaning people will have to pay even more than they already are, for the products they want.
Despite it being in my own personal best interests for them to increase the deposit, i don't want to see other people being stuck paying even more than they already have to. i am in favor of lower deposits or removing deposits entirely. Alot of unfair things have arisen in this scheme, like people who rely on home deliveries for example, and also people who don't have the option of bringing their recycleables back to an rvm.
This stealth tax, or green tax, deposit tax or whatever people wanna call it, is grossly unfair. i'm interested in learning how we can get a better system in place if its even possible. i'm all for it.
Could you do us a favour and shorten your rant sig please? Your latest one takes up 3/4 of the screen of the mobile site and it's a pita having to keep scrolling past it.
Yeah no problem, consider it done! :) my apologies
No not just you but I think it's more of an act. Ciara will say one thing, he'll of course be on the other side of the argument. Deliberately provocactive to encourage people to text them (at 30c a text I believe).
But regardless, NT in general I find myself having to switch off more and more.. ultra "progressive" with constant "victims" and more and more tabloid every month.
Tis tabloid radio in fairness.
I think the scheme is daft, but if I had access to empty containers in work I'd be walking out the door at lunchtime and on the way home with 4 full black bags each time. Every day:-)
When you say 350k I presume you mean before tax, and after been rounded down to the near 50k as per standard Gov run agencies?
So according to the CEO of re-turn 15.8m items have been returned to date. That's just over 10m more than the 5.6m reported at 12 March, or average 670k per day.
While we have no good data on the number sold, I believe it is 4m plus a day with deposit.
So daily collection rate is minimum 17%.
He did also say up to 1m items a day are being returned, I presume this is a recent day, so potentially that bring the return rate could be 25%.
17-25% is certainly better than earlier in March.
Where are these located out of interest? I assume in one of the shops so voucher can be exchanged
This is pretty accurate...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5B6vCEMaFa/?igsh=OTZ0b29uOWpzcTk=
Boots T1, WH Smith T2
What about people buying water or a drink for a flight airside, they either take an empty through security and full up air side or pay the levy they'll never get back as they take the drink on board. Ripoff
Yes I can't see why there's not an exemption, the duty free stores and I think the other shops airside all have exemption on the plastic bag levy.
You can buy a half litre carton of water for €2 airside.
There is no deposit charged.
Best bet though is bring your own bottle empty through security and fill it at one of the hydration stations for free.
thats what i do , flew half way round the world last year. every airport had bottle filling points
500mls for €2 isn't cheap compared to Boots etc so you sort of are paying the levy. How many tourists or locals will remember to bring an empty bottle through security....
Airside should be exempt, end of.
There are bottle refill/water fountain locations all over for people to fill an empty they brought through if they want.
Shannon/Knock etc don't have RVMs at all if the map is accurate - which I already know it isn't.
