How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
Have you forgotten how the last round of electronic voting went?
What does that make service officers then?
Akin to something you'd scrape off your shoe by the sounds of it
Like civil service IT?
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Well... 🤣
But seriously, it means that there is zero scope to improve the pay rates of critically undersaffed sectors. So, basically, suck it up for at least 3 years...
Sadly that's how many people see them.
Nothing stopping the civil service using the Engineer grade for IT staff. A few public bodies have done that already, able to bridge the gap between HEO and AP.
AP pay wouldn't cut it for what IT HEOs are doing now
It's the wider point I was making.
There is a lot of facetious points and arguments being made on the thread using CO salaries to play poormouth.
If the lowest paid grade, and by no means a representative one, in an organization is constantly used as a benchmark then the narrative will always be skewed.
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that one grade or position in an organization is usually the starting point for many with promotion equally, if not moreso, important for improving one's lot than wage increases.
Engineer grades usually requires a national craft cert. I've had to turn down an interview offer for a role I was almost uniquely experienced for because it was engineer grade and I don't have a NCC - I've a degree that qualifies for IET membership instead. It didn't actually need those (NCC) skills / qualifications either.
If we had the (vaguely terrifying) UK domestic-only electrician two week course I'd have just done it to get the cert and hence the interview, but we don't.
Even if they could fudge it to allow specific degrees that can get you in to the IET - IT is experience dependent. I work with people with no official qualifications beyond the leaving cert, and once someone who only had a junior cert, but was entirely competent for a role that civil service rates couldn't compete with. I didn't get my own degree until my late 20s, and by then I was already beyond what the PS structure could pay me.
The National Cyber Security Centre is using Engineer grades and nothing requiring any craft cert.
Whoooooosh. Again.
CO is not the lowest paid grade.
Also 🤣 at saying that the grade with the largest numbers is not representative.
Lots of "whoosing" and emojis.
You might be confusing Public and Civil Service but again, you can't be using the salary of 12k COs to claim anything representative on a deal that applies to almost 400k.
That part of the discussion was specific to the civil service and you yourself used the word "organization", there's no way you could say the public sector as a whole is an "organization".
COs are still not the lowest paid grade BTW
Ictu are calling for increases of 4 - 6% in the private sector to help catch up on Inflation but are happy for public service to get less.
The worst part is the public service are happy to get less as well.
I admit that I had a chuckle this morning, on hearing it
And not spread out over nearly 3 years, I expect?
We're getting 4.25% this year. Lower paid workers getting a higher percentage.
The recommended pay rise for the private sector matches pretty much what the public sector is. Shocker....
And we are all getting it. Private sector ya could well get zero. I know pals who will certainly get pay rises but I know ones that certainly will not be.
Can I ask if anyone knows if the pay deal will be backdated and applied even if you leave your public sector employer before it is ratified? Currently in my notice period
To the best of my knowledge the first installment would be backdated to Jan and therefore due to you but open to correction on that
Yes, my understanding too. Someone quoted back in this thread, the part of the proposal that states the increases will be backdated to the beginning of the year.
People who leave will be bottom of the list in getting any backdated payments though and it took months to work through the last time.
Will be lucky to get it before the June 1% kicks in too!
FORSA AGM tonight for Cork. Going to go along to judge the mood and see what they're selling
Had our union men (UM) In today...
UM.....YE ARE GETTING 10.25%.....
ME....but i count 9.25%...when do we get the 1% local agreement
UM....sometime in next year
ME...so definetly getting it?
UM....yes.....we can now control who gets it
ME......i thought you said I was getting it
UM.....you are....but we can now control who gets it
And on it went 😁😁😁🙏
You'll be at the back of the que. Your file will need to be reopened in payroll and a manual adjustment done.
My union was giving the impression the 1% local bargaining won't be general this time and can't see me getting it - still quoting the 10.25 mind
Its 9.25%.....they spouting out the 10.25% because it looks like its a double digit pay increase.......Our union men looked like idiots today trying to tell us we were getting it but wouldn confirm that we would get it.
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