He died earlier from a heart attack, very curious guy whatever you think of him. If he didn’t kill Sophie Toscan du Plantier he certainly didn’t help himself by his attention seeking behaviour.
They searched his flat when he died ..why not before...confront him...
The cold case were making great progress...does that mean they are not now? What is great progress ..
I agree on that point...his previous statements here are very strange ..may have seen her from afar...had seen her through window..sure it was her etc. for me I do believe that's crucial area and he did know her...but proof is needed.
Certainly his heart could easily be result of significant amount of years living in fear...drinking excessively, cigarettes, lifestyle , violence of his partner..it's all leads to downward spiral...but it still doesn't give us actual DNA we need place him at scene .
I agree I don't like look of him no more than next ..but I'm not convinced by full willingness to always put forward any DNA and take hair or any other sample In evidence is very much a indication of truth...to be that confident of leaving no DNA at scene .
like do you think investigation was carried out well..
The guards weren't talking to Bailey, the cold case team were making great progress, local stories of them breaking new ground, Bailey screwed up and admitted he had met Sophie at the arts festival. The net was tightening fast and Bailey's heart wasn't in it. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Well...this is not well informed statement. Here's why
Firstly it's true not many are sad..and he died lonely and sad. But how was net tightening on him exactly?
A couple of points of note
-recent Irish times pole if it means anything indicated that massive divide in opinion weather IB committed the crime or not
-uk former forensics investigator got the complete files and spoke with bailey in recent months...has read large amounts of files of entire case and could not see any evidence pointing to one person. Was in sensed why the guards took DNA from lots of people including IB but only focused on IB. Numerous other angles never persued
-The DNA and any other evidence willingly provided by IB and yet no match to anything at scene...but your saying net tightening?
The net is tightening on guardai and new crime review team having to explain and reason with Sophie's family the dpp and Irish people and French people to explain wholly and transparently why they conducted the investigation in the way they did...as it has completely blinded everyone to getting actual truth...focussing on one person where therw could be least another 3.
I'm still not saying IB is/ isn't guilty but how you conclude it's tigening is laughable
Obviously, not many are sad that Bailey died a sad, lonely, unhappy life but it's a pity Sophie's family didn't see him get locked up. The net was tightening on Bailey, he knew the game was up. His heart couldn't handle it.
They tried to frame a local scumbag, a man who has a violent history but not as a bully just a genuinely hard nutcase. He was feared by other local scum living in the same general area, so in typical of the time AGS they used the two very pricks who actually did that murder as witnesses in their framing ! One of whom became a hostile witness in court.
One of these witnesses about 4 years later actually entered the local station drunk, (pretty much always drunk) and described how he did the murder. This was explained in court by an arresting guard when he appeared on a charge for being intoxicatied in a public place.
Later the other 'witness' actually murdered the latter 'witness' and is doing life.
Stranger still the 'witness' who later got life had been closely involved in a 1996 murder but a family member who was involved was done for it.
You couldn't make it up ! Like something from a film.
Forgot to add: Another witness in the 1997 murder, 1st cousin of the murderer 'witness' and also 1st cousin of the man convicted of the 1996 murder, was acquitted of murder in 2005.
Re wounded at scene :
I don't think so. The killer just struck the victim several times on the head with, probably, an iron bar.
In that murder, was it suggested that the assailant was wounded at the scene?
This case is a little different though. A major part of the Garda case against Bailey is that he was scratched at the scene, which is likely to generate forensic evidence - none were found. Bailey volunteered samples at a time when he could not have known no forensics were found. Plus the attack involved multiple weapons \ modes of attack, briars at the scene. It was brutal and messy.
Regarding lack of forensic
In Tipperary in 1997 a man was murdered.
Beaten on head probably with an iron bar. Seen alive 2.30 am, found dead 7.30am
Harbison was on time. No forensic evidence was found to link the man acquitted. Weapon was never found
I don't know who killed Sophie but lack of forensic doesn't seem unusual.
This is very true if arriving in car, but furthermore it might've not needed be horn to alert Sophie. For example maybe if she was in upstairs or downstairs her house has no blinds or curtains it was said so clear view out. She was up that morning her bed was maid so possibly it would be relatively easy if she writing at upstairs window and see car lights on at gate...or car lights coming slowly up road to gate..or if kitchen maybe too if she has that view from there. It was mentioned her outside light was not on .so possibly lot easier see another light down lane..if it's realistic to think it happened that way. But few single horns may not be heard but repeated horns seems unlikely.
Here's her statement;
And didnt someone mention Alfie didnt hear Shirley blowing the car horn when she spotted body on the ground...
Anything’s possible - a car horn though would alert all people- not just the person you’d wish to attract attention by using the car horn.
Could we imagine a scenario where a car arrived, driver beeped horn to alert Sophie OR Alphie as they somehow could not get the gate open for some reason. One beep mightn’t have caused alert, as many give a salutary beep when departing, but a repeated thinking of the horn might have alerted Sophie who came down to investigate. I imagine somebody very probably arrived in a car.
The pictures that were up (from Reddit) tell me that it was an amateur who 'roofed' that shed. A good gale would easily disrupt it as would a bit of strength. Certainly didn't need to be a big hulking male to lift it. Also, doesn't seem to be much mortar involved.
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Narcissists are notorious parasites, leeching off everyone, whereas Bailey was quite industrious: cutting trees, killing turkeys, gardening, selling stuff in the market, carving willies.
I`d say a good southerly gale at some point lifted the roof.
Tear the roof up off a pump house 20 yards away for a block to keep a gate open. A bit of rage against the gate you think?
Am I reading this right? There were fresh tyre marks were they ever measured to match a type of car etc or did the car going to the dump contaminate it??
No gate is safe with sheep, hence the sheep wire which is there to prevent lambs getting through the lower rungs. Sheep are notorious scratchers too, particularly if they haven`t been treated for scab. It would only have taken one incident of a local coming to a gate that was half opened across the laneway because sheep had been scratching against it, to grab a block to help secure it either open or closed.
It’s obvious from the photos of the gate that a block or stone is not needed to hold it open. If you look at the open gate you will see sheep wire on the bottom rungs which drags on the ground and grass by the wall keeping the gate open. A block would not be used to keep the gate closed.
The Gardai not sealing the scene of the crime properly didn't help in this regard imv
This is true and surely Josephine Hellen would have alluded to this in her statement if she had known this became damaged..
I'm just wondering where lot of posts was mentioned Sophie's hurried trip just before Christmas to fix heating.. and she didn't entrust that to Hellen or was any of that damage caused number of months previous and/or the damage had affected water pump/heating of house but unlikely maybe.
It leaves the killer knowing the area sustainability more to level of location of pumphouse.
The block \ pumphouse is a conundrum... seems like the obvious thing to have done was to ask Alfie \ Shirley whether the block was in situ at the gate for a period. Without that answer we are left guessing.
The pump house was damaged, clear photos showing that. How and why is unclear. If it happened before the murder, can't imagine Sophie would be pleased about that, and it seems like the kinda thing she would have had Josephine Hellen sort if she was aware of it.
Do we have evidence the block was at gate a number of months or years? Not disputing it didn't come from pump house but I'm suggesting the killer didn't fetch it during the actual attack..he just used it for whatever purpose during or after attack.
Isn't this more the question we need was it removed during the attack...if so...it's lot further reasoning attacker knew the ground and or really wanted inflict extreme injuries by fetching it on way up or way back down from the house
There was in interview in the Sunday Independent last weekend with a retired UK forensics officer Bridget Chappuis:
The pattern of blood staining on the block does not support the view that it was used as a weapon. Rather, blood pattern analysis tends to indicate that it was in situ when she was bleeding and that her body was leaning or lying against it, causing voids on the surface which are free of blood.
But it doesn't account for how the clothes were under the block.
More here - favours a morning time for the murder and use of a vehicle.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721090/#Comment_121721090
How do you think Sophie's night clothes were under the bloodstained block when she was found.
What forensic evidence is there that blood was sprayed onto the block?
On the other hand you could say his chosen career relied on the public and getting a name for himself - reporters don’t tend to be shrinking violets - they need to be putting themselves out there- and when his career as a reporter in IrelAnd finished before it began, he relied on one of the few things he could- his notoriety- in order to make a few quid, be it selling poetry t shirts or rudey items
Had he the skills of an artist I’d say he would have sold a lot of paintings as there would have been a certain level of grotesque demand to own a “Bailey”
There's conflicting information about it, the block would have had to have been moved during the attack, because otherwise how could it come to rest on the dressing gown.
This is an excerpt from an account in the Irish Times:
He (Dr Harbison) identified two possible weapons near the body: "Beside the deceased's left shoulder and head was a flat slate like a stone which was heavily blood stained . . . Between the deceased's body and the wire fence and within 9in of her left hand was a 9in cavity block."
The block rested on the dead woman's blue dressing gown, and appeared to have been taken from a hut built around an electric water pump, 20-30ft further up the hill. Dr Harbison mentions two blows on the dead woman's shoulder blades. "These could have been the imprints of that block, administering a glancing blow," he wrote. The body did not appear to have been dragged over the ground.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/a-brutal-death-in-black-and-white-1.922863
Good points. And thanks for the input.
Whilst I, (as a lyman) could never see the justification for classing Bailey as a psycopath, it seems to me that his constant attention seeking is suggestive of narcissism ?
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