How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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It is a 10% pay rise (including the local bargaining clause). It’s not 10% more in your pocket over 2.5 years. It’s less than that.
This deal likely does beat inflation. Unless you’re suggesting inflation will be greater than 10.25% over the next 2.5 years? You’re starting on 2.25%, inflation is 0%. You’re already ahead.
It doesn’t address the outstanding 6.5% but that’s a separate point.
Increments are temporary and part of the joining remuneration.
It's a way to actually NOT pay people what the job is worth, for a decade.
Not bitter for a start. And certainly not bitchy. I wouldnt have time to sit around the coffee table to gossip about how many times someone was late or their sick leave.
That's the point it's the headline figure all people see. Joe Public sees the headline figure and does not read (or absorb) that it's spread out until 2026
Inflationary pressure is on the increase again, between the continuing Russian agression and Isreal being Isreal. We'll barely keep pace
Inflation is 0% since the start of the deal. People on this thread will go, the effective increase in 2024 is 3.08% and inflation is predicted to be 3.5%, we’re losing money with this deal. When in fact your comparing two completely different numbers that have zero relationship to one another.
This deal doesn’t address the outstanding 6.5%. This deal does address inflation over the next 2.5 years. Easily.
The unions really need to be coming out visibly saying it is 9.25% - otherwise theyre trying to hoodwink their own members
Like others have mentioned, I'll vote no to this, but expect it to pass comfortably. I feel the figure of 10.25% is being mis-sold. When the sectoral bargaining is taken into account, it's really only a guarantee of 9.25% - there's no guarantee of the extra 1%. I'm also not in favour of a pay agreement that is in excess of two years - we're getting a reasonable 4.25% this year, however, towards the end of the agreement, we are only being drip fed 1% in February 2026 and a further 1% in June 2026.
It will be interesting to see what the turnout will be when it comes to the ballot. Looking back on the Forsa ballot for the last pay agreement, the turnout was very poor. Only 67% of people eligible to vote did, so for whatever reason one third of people eligible to vote didn't - https://www.forsa.ie/bm061022/
Just looking at your post from August, the first thing that jumps out is your incorrect claim that Templemore can only hold 200 students at a time. That's incorrect, it regularly had 800 students at a time from 2014 - 2020. Even more in the 2000's.
I've lost you. Are you trying to argue there is no correlation between inflation and salary rises?
No, im not arguing that.
Im pointing out that people on this thread are claiming the effective pay increase for 2024 is 3.08%. They are then going and looking at the predicted inflation rate for 2024 and saying we’re losing money.
The predicted inflation rate for 2024 is 2.7% (EU from Nov., this may have been updated). The effective inflation would therefore be 1.5% (approx and assuming it’s linear).
This deal will easily outstrip inflation over the next 2.5 years.
This deal does not address the outstanding 6.5%.
edit: this “effective” pay increase for 2024 stuff is just nonsense.
I notice you have avoided answering the question.
Have you rejoined the Union since we last discussed it on January 9th, or not?
All that is required is a yes or no answer.
Because if not, you're lying about having a vote, and FYI, "an opinion" is not the same as a vote.
Everything else you say to me, frankly, is irrelevant to me, though making misogynistic remarks is a new low.
Most of the sector cash seemed to be just paid out pro rata in the last deal.
Was that aimed at me?
Yes i am now in the union. A few reasons why i rejoined.
Unlike the pseu and ahcp etc id never cross a picket. Regardless of my views on potential strike action i wouldnt break a picket. Im not a scab.
Frankly, given all you've said on this thread, I choose not believe a word of this.
Ok. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I can appreciate where you are coming from.
Inflation has been zero since Jan 1st?
Fantastic!
We’ve no measurement until it’s measured in February by the CSO. It’s a discrete system.
Inflation for 2024 is predicted to be 2.7%. Assuming it’s linear, that’s 0.23% per month. Were being given 2.25% on day one.
This deal will easily cover inflation over the period of the deal.
this deal does not cover the outstanding 6.5%.
I’m keeping this simple for illustrative purposes.
On 1st January 2024, Person 1 and Person 2 earn €100k per annum each, therefore their household earns €200k per annum.
Both get a pay increase of 9.25% over 2.5 years in a deal that ends on 30 June 2026.
On 1st July 2026 both Person A and Person B earn €109,250 each, therefore their household income increases to €218,500, an increase of 9.25%, not 25%.
When simple figures confuse someone there is probably no point trying to argue with them
As for the deal - I don't think it's great but I don't think we'll get better so a yes from me.
Unions have failed me previously in the past so have no high regard for them/
On the 1% for September 2025, my reading of this is that there is Collective Bargaining open for discussion until Summer 2024. The maximum agreement under this arrangement is 3%, with the first payment in September 2025.
However, if we're good little piggies, and don't take any form of industrial action, we will get the 1% in September. I am open to correction on this, but this was done in previous agreement(s).
That's a lot better than I was going to reply
I was thinking why not have a threesome and then it's an increase of 29.75%
**** if one was even a little more adventurous and didn't just dabble in polygamy but really committed the sky is the limit...if you had 4 the increase is 37%😂...that's absoluting beating the living **** out of inflation
Cant believe noone thought of this before as a way to get unlimited free money!
No its not. It is up to the unions to decide at a sectoral level how to divide up the 1% e.g. a larger amount to deal with a pay issue in one group vs a 1% for everyone. Can't blame the govt for this one if we don't all get the 1%
This deal sounds great on paper. Media reporting salary increases of 10%+. It is true that your salary will be 9.8% higher on 1st June 2026 but the reality is that you're only coming out with 5.7% more money than if there had been no pay increases at all and this is over 30 months.
The actual pay increases are 3.35% for 2024, 3.1% for 2025 and 1% to June 30th 2026. Hardly jaw dropping figures and these figures won't be enough to stem the flow of emigrating teachers, nurses, and other essential public servants.
I'll vote against this deal but the reality is it will pass.
is there a mechanism in the latest deal to revise the 2025, 2026 figures like last time if inflation powers ahead again e.g. due to war in red sea disrupting oil etc.
otherwise in current uncertain environment the deal is not worth it
Has coffee with a teacher mate of mine. He and colleagues are delighted with the deal. Teachers are never usually happy so that speaks a lot.
For the posters who think its a poor deal ill ask again. What figure would you have settled for?
I'm a teacher. Teachers are not delighted.
Youre not delighted. People have differing views.
The only negative views i have heard about the package have been on boards.
What % would you be happy with?
Definitely higher than 3.4% this year, 3.1% in 2025 and 1% in 2026 ..... which is all this deal is offering.
What percentage though?
Give a figure.
I'd begrudgingly take this deal over 18 months
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