How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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That is simply not true. I don't like the pay deal but peddling lies in the way that you are isn't helpful.
If you are on €50k today, you will be on €54,808 by the end of the agreement, a 9.6% increase. That is how maths works.
Or the increment process.
Leaving aside the sectoral bargaining (as there's no guarantee where that is going) this deal represents an overall 3.4% pay increase in 2024, a further 2% increase in 2025 and a further 1% increase during January to June 2026. Salaries will be 9.88% higher than they were on December 31, 2023 - some thirty months before.
Is the 1% local bargaining for everyone. I did not see it the percentage breakdown of the deal that was published.
Why is that of any concern of mine?
Also, businesses will love seeing the union getting smacked with a measly deal (when taken over 2 and a half years)
OK, and businesses start to close.
Then what?
Will others take their place? Will these new businesses not also face the same costs?
Well there is a lot of pissed off people on a meeting I am currently on.
Grades 8, 7, 6, 5 on the meeting and No-One is happy
People who aren't in favour of the deal...What are you looking for?
I agree that 2.5 years isn't ideal but 10.25 percent is an excellent outcome.
I disagree but that wasn't the question I asked. Do you reckon people are going to vote for industrial action over 2.25%?
I don't know what I'll vote. The deal isn't great but it isn't piss poor either. Its somewhere in the middle.
If they can't afford to pay their employees enough to survive then they're probably not profitable enough to survive in the free market
No doubt it will put pressure on other employers. Driving up costs further for businesses on top of costs already applied will sure end well.
Poor governance and a hark back to the times of Bertie-nomics.
Salonfire not everyone gets increments, some are top of scale so your point doesn't stand.
It's a great deal for the workers, they should be very happy with their representatives.
In the private sector employers will be cursing this. There will be serious pressure on employers to open the wallet over the next couple of years. Those that can't or won't will be left behind. Good times for most people, but will be harder for some.
Lol. 25% better off. I'm not sure it's even standing still with inflation
25% better off at the end of the deal?
That's laughable trolling by someone that either doesn't understand inflation or chooses to ignore it.
you're talking nonsense man did youse come to boards.ie because you got kicked out of harbour court?
Good to see a significant increase for the lower paid as they were getting left behind. But as alluded to by someone else, paying a glorified penpusher 76k at the top of the scale can not be justified.
Once again the Government caves into cowardly strike threats target the most vulnerable people in society and pay off the perpetrators. The only saving grace is that it's extended to 2.5 years.
Including increments, it's about amounts to about 6% pay rise per year, actually a bit more because the headline rates next year will be applied on top of increments received this year and likewise in 2026.
For households where both are working for the Government, they'll be close to 25% better off in 2.5 years from now. A real kick in the teeth to those families genuinely struggling.
Compare it to average private increases of 3.5% for this year.
Earlier someone linked 5 year cso figures showing IT and Communication sector as having the largest pay rises of 35% I think it was. Or 7% per year. This agreement is close to the fastest growing sector of the economy and better than every other sector below that.
Fair point, I see that additional changes in rates of pay and/or conditions of employment up to a maximum of 3% of the basic pay cost, inclusive of allowances in the nature of pay can also be negotiated.
Sectoral bargaining excluded (only the 9.25% of increases):
€30k will be up to €34,098 by the end (13.66%); €40k up to €44,401 (11%); 50k up to €54,807 (9.62%).
Salaries of €50k or higher will be up 9.62%.
Just on the 1% sectoral bargaining, my reading of the agreement would have me think that it specifically cannot be used for pay.
So this is actually a paycut?
Based on the figures, anyone on <€50k is considered lower salary.
If my maths are correct, someone on €30k will be up to €34,439 by the end (14.79%); €40k up to €44,845 (12.11%); 50k up to €55,355 (10.71%). That’s including the 1% sectoral bargaining.
Salaries of €50k or higher will be up 10.71%.
Which lower paid category? Just COs is it?
I'd take that to mean that the ballots will be in by then and the ICTU will meet on 25/3 to ratify (or not... as if 😐️) the deal.
Focusing solely on the headline figure is foolish.
I think the Unions have done a good job here, I didn’t think we’d get anything near 10.25% at the outset of this and if we’re all honest there isn’t a hope in hell that some parts of the PS will strike such as the CS. That means we’re always entering negotiations from a weak starting point.
This is a good deal for the lower paid… but it has to be a good deal as people are currently not joining the PS at the lower wages end so the Govt has no choice but to give such increases to try and make these jobs more attractive.
This drip feeding of increases needs to stop. It is taking 7 increases to get us to our final point. That’s ridiculous and flies in the face in so called efficiency and modernisation and all the other stupid buzz words that are thrown about. Increases should be from 1st Jan each year.
Although I don’t think the negotiators left anything behind them I’ll be voting “NO” but will be expecting it to absolutely sail through.
That's what I'd like clarified too. Was annual leave or blended working discussed for example. 4 day week etc.
Pay was the last thing discussed, what other changes are incoming? Had a quick review and can’t seem to find anything worth noting
Wow. everyone on my team and at coffee this morning is a hard yes.
Talking to a few in my office and it's a No.
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