How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I imagine it's sectoral such as nurses, teachers etc
It would be foolish not to tbh. Especially if you're a civil servant who isn't within 5-10 years of the retirement.
Every civil servant needs to realise that if they're losing out on an extra 2-3%. If at every pay deal they are constantly getting less than inflation and they are constantly having to wait 10 months for a pay increase then they need to ask themselves what is the cost of thet over the course of their career. It's massive. There really needs to be a strong message sens from unions members to union negotiators that a pay increase for a particular should start from the 1 January and anything less than that is not acceptable.
I agree with the 1% at the end alright.
Straight from the horses mouth.
They need 2 months to decide on whether to recommend it or not?
FFS
2024 and 2025 seem fine (2025 a bit little of an increase) I just don't like that it stretches into 2026 considering we have no idea what will happen in the time between now and that far out.
7 increases in 30 months… drip feeding the increases.
Here’s the full deal for anyone interested.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/29e6c-public-service-agreement-2024-2026/
Talking to a few in my office and it's a No.
Wow. everyone on my team and at coffee this morning is a hard yes.
Pay was the last thing discussed, what other changes are incoming? Had a quick review and can’t seem to find anything worth noting
That's what I'd like clarified too. Was annual leave or blended working discussed for example. 4 day week etc.
I think the Unions have done a good job here, I didn’t think we’d get anything near 10.25% at the outset of this and if we’re all honest there isn’t a hope in hell that some parts of the PS will strike such as the CS. That means we’re always entering negotiations from a weak starting point.
This is a good deal for the lower paid… but it has to be a good deal as people are currently not joining the PS at the lower wages end so the Govt has no choice but to give such increases to try and make these jobs more attractive.
This drip feeding of increases needs to stop. It is taking 7 increases to get us to our final point. That’s ridiculous and flies in the face in so called efficiency and modernisation and all the other stupid buzz words that are thrown about. Increases should be from 1st Jan each year.
Although I don’t think the negotiators left anything behind them I’ll be voting “NO” but will be expecting it to absolutely sail through.
Focusing solely on the headline figure is foolish.
I'd take that to mean that the ballots will be in by then and the ICTU will meet on 25/3 to ratify (or not... as if 😐️) the deal.
Which lower paid category? Just COs is it?
Based on the figures, anyone on <€50k is considered lower salary.
If my maths are correct, someone on €30k will be up to €34,439 by the end (14.79%); €40k up to €44,845 (12.11%); 50k up to €55,355 (10.71%). That’s including the 1% sectoral bargaining.
Salaries of €50k or higher will be up 10.71%.
So this is actually a paycut?
Just on the 1% sectoral bargaining, my reading of the agreement would have me think that it specifically cannot be used for pay.
Fair point, I see that additional changes in rates of pay and/or conditions of employment up to a maximum of 3% of the basic pay cost, inclusive of allowances in the nature of pay can also be negotiated.
Sectoral bargaining excluded (only the 9.25% of increases):
€30k will be up to €34,098 by the end (13.66%); €40k up to €44,401 (11%); 50k up to €54,807 (9.62%).
Salaries of €50k or higher will be up 9.62%.
Once again the Government caves into cowardly strike threats target the most vulnerable people in society and pay off the perpetrators. The only saving grace is that it's extended to 2.5 years.
Including increments, it's about amounts to about 6% pay rise per year, actually a bit more because the headline rates next year will be applied on top of increments received this year and likewise in 2026.
For households where both are working for the Government, they'll be close to 25% better off in 2.5 years from now. A real kick in the teeth to those families genuinely struggling.
Compare it to average private increases of 3.5% for this year.
Earlier someone linked 5 year cso figures showing IT and Communication sector as having the largest pay rises of 35% I think it was. Or 7% per year. This agreement is close to the fastest growing sector of the economy and better than every other sector below that.
Good to see a significant increase for the lower paid as they were getting left behind. But as alluded to by someone else, paying a glorified penpusher 76k at the top of the scale can not be justified.
you're talking nonsense man did youse come to boards.ie because you got kicked out of harbour court?
25% better off at the end of the deal?
That's laughable trolling by someone that either doesn't understand inflation or chooses to ignore it.
Lol. 25% better off. I'm not sure it's even standing still with inflation
It's a great deal for the workers, they should be very happy with their representatives.
In the private sector employers will be cursing this. There will be serious pressure on employers to open the wallet over the next couple of years. Those that can't or won't will be left behind. Good times for most people, but will be harder for some.
Salonfire not everyone gets increments, some are top of scale so your point doesn't stand.
No doubt it will put pressure on other employers. Driving up costs further for businesses on top of costs already applied will sure end well.
Poor governance and a hark back to the times of Bertie-nomics.
If they can't afford to pay their employees enough to survive then they're probably not profitable enough to survive in the free market
I disagree but that wasn't the question I asked. Do you reckon people are going to vote for industrial action over 2.25%?
I don't know what I'll vote. The deal isn't great but it isn't piss poor either. Its somewhere in the middle.
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