How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
Here’s the full deal for anyone interested.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/29e6c-public-service-agreement-2024-2026/
7 increases in 30 months… drip feeding the increases.
2024 and 2025 seem fine (2025 a bit little of an increase) I just don't like that it stretches into 2026 considering we have no idea what will happen in the time between now and that far out.
They need 2 months to decide on whether to recommend it or not?
FFS
Straight from the horses mouth.
I agree with the 1% at the end alright.
It would be foolish not to tbh. Especially if you're a civil servant who isn't within 5-10 years of the retirement.
Every civil servant needs to realise that if they're losing out on an extra 2-3%. If at every pay deal they are constantly getting less than inflation and they are constantly having to wait 10 months for a pay increase then they need to ask themselves what is the cost of thet over the course of their career. It's massive. There really needs to be a strong message sens from unions members to union negotiators that a pay increase for a particular should start from the 1 January and anything less than that is not acceptable.
I imagine it's sectoral such as nurses, teachers etc
Let the back bay build up before putting it to the vote to ensure it goes through.
10.25% is a nice headline but the reality is, it is 9.25% and over 2.5 years. Just too long. Would have begrudgingly accepted it over 2 years but 2.5 is just too much of a stretch
Yeah I've always wondered what this means also, if anyone can enlighten us?
The unions just said on the radio final decision to be made on the 25th of March.
No decision before then
thanks .. by Dec,2024, higher tax bracket will see an increase of less than 100 euro (after tax) per month.
Yes.. eventually.
Do PS pensioner also get this rise?
Semantics. I never said "all out strike", one day strikes is still "strike". I meant one day strikes.
You reckon people would vote for industrial action for 2.25%?
There you go with 'strike' again. There are a lot of forms of industrial action other than all out strike.
You reckon people would strike over 2.25%? Thats what the Union would need.
What does the local bargaining 1% mean?
They should have held out for the 12.5% and front loaded the deal a LOT more. The value of an increase in a year's time or two year's time is a lot less than an increase right now. Especially the joke of a 1% right at the end, which is just there to get the headline figure up, and the headline figure is all the media (and, unfortunately, some staff) focus on.
It'll be highly dependent on what tax bracket you're in and where.
If youre paying the standard rate, it'll pretty much be a straight 10.25% increase at the end (ignoring the X% or Y minimum)
If youre paying the higher rate, it'll depend where you are. Just above the standard cutoff point (and any threshold) will see you have around €170 extra in your pocket a month (or around 6%). In my case slightly above that, it equates to around €300 extra a month.
That's the thing, people say "Oh but it covers recent inflation". Yes, in 13 months; there will be a whole other year's inflation ignored in that
thanks for calculating this . Any idea what it translates to in euros per month after tax. Will at be at least 100 euro extra per month in your pocket ? just trying to understand if it will partly offset the increase in electricity bill?
That's piss poor given we're down at least 6.5% off the last deal.
Should have been front loaded a lot more. It takes until March 2025 to make up the 6.5% losses from 2022 and 2023. That's a very long time to be that much out of pocket, with nothing at all to allow for inflation this year.
What's the odds inflation in 2025 will be less than 3%? or 2% in 2026? Low to non-existent. So at the end of the deal we'll be behind again.
Don't worry, non-members will be cosy in the office
Me and everyone else pal. Out of interest over 2.5 years what total % would you vote yes for?
Yeah that worked out soooo well.
You are going to vote for yet another pay cut.
I am happy with the amount for lower grades but I think the deal is for too long. Would rather it was until end of 2025.
They have, it's 1125 or 2.25%. Just reverse engineer the numbers.
The 17.2% is the calculation for the lowest paid. The percentage increases decreases as you increase until you pass the threshold.
They haven't given a cut off point for what they consider to be lower paid. So assuming we say the difference between point 3 of the EO scale to get the potential full 17.2% increase and the first point of the HEO scale which would be the proposed 10.25%. the current difference in pay between these two scales is €17,226 and after the deal will be €16,383. That's a difference of €843. I don't think that's a massive difference, and would not devalue the higher grade. These are very rough figures and only one example. I'm sure more examples can be gathered but it's not like the EO grade will all of a sudden be a couple of grand behind the HEO.
Once the actual detail of the deal is released a better picture can be formed but I don't see how the higher grade is being devalued in this situation.
Pro rata. They get the 2.5%.
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