How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Thats one slow pay rise.....gonna be a No for me.
This will absolutely sail through tho. I'd expect 90%+ support. It's a fine deal and quite difficult to see a better deal being reached. For those slamming the Unions earlier, 10.25% is pretty decent. They didn't misplay their hand at all.
I'd say the deal will voted through by 90 percent easily.
Let's be totally honest here. If they offered 20% over 2.5 years some of the usual suspects would still be pushing for a no vote. It's always been the same in heavily unionised sectors.
The lower grades got a good whack though I’d say you are reasonably happy with that.
Isnt this essentially the same deal the unions were saying was rubbish two weeks ago with 0.75% stuck on at the start and 1% stuck on at the very very end of 2.5 years which is effectively useless and should be start of next deal - effectively useless. The 2026 "increases" need to be in 2024/25 .....NO vote for me .
My net pay increases by around 7%, lower paid workers see a net pay increase of 17%.
I get the logic to it but I also don't understand it.
Yeah it is, but I have my doubts that they thought it was rubbish. Negotiation tactic I’d imagine!
2.5% or 1125. How does this work for a part time employee? Say the full time scale is x amount and over 1125 with the 2.5% increase. But half the scale/part time figure with 2.5% is less than 1125 increase. Do they get the 2.5% or 1125?
Pro rata. They get the 2.5%.
They haven't given a cut off point for what they consider to be lower paid. So assuming we say the difference between point 3 of the EO scale to get the potential full 17.2% increase and the first point of the HEO scale which would be the proposed 10.25%. the current difference in pay between these two scales is €17,226 and after the deal will be €16,383. That's a difference of €843. I don't think that's a massive difference, and would not devalue the higher grade. These are very rough figures and only one example. I'm sure more examples can be gathered but it's not like the EO grade will all of a sudden be a couple of grand behind the HEO.
Once the actual detail of the deal is released a better picture can be formed but I don't see how the higher grade is being devalued in this situation.
They have, it's 1125 or 2.25%. Just reverse engineer the numbers.
The 17.2% is the calculation for the lowest paid. The percentage increases decreases as you increase until you pass the threshold.
I am happy with the amount for lower grades but I think the deal is for too long. Would rather it was until end of 2025.
Yeah that worked out soooo well.
You are going to vote for yet another pay cut.
Me and everyone else pal. Out of interest over 2.5 years what total % would you vote yes for?
Don't worry, non-members will be cosy in the office
That's piss poor given we're down at least 6.5% off the last deal.
Should have been front loaded a lot more. It takes until March 2025 to make up the 6.5% losses from 2022 and 2023. That's a very long time to be that much out of pocket, with nothing at all to allow for inflation this year.
What's the odds inflation in 2025 will be less than 3%? or 2% in 2026? Low to non-existent. So at the end of the deal we'll be behind again.
thanks for calculating this . Any idea what it translates to in euros per month after tax. Will at be at least 100 euro extra per month in your pocket ? just trying to understand if it will partly offset the increase in electricity bill?
That's the thing, people say "Oh but it covers recent inflation". Yes, in 13 months; there will be a whole other year's inflation ignored in that
It'll be highly dependent on what tax bracket you're in and where.
If youre paying the standard rate, it'll pretty much be a straight 10.25% increase at the end (ignoring the X% or Y minimum)
If youre paying the higher rate, it'll depend where you are. Just above the standard cutoff point (and any threshold) will see you have around €170 extra in your pocket a month (or around 6%). In my case slightly above that, it equates to around €300 extra a month.
They should have held out for the 12.5% and front loaded the deal a LOT more. The value of an increase in a year's time or two year's time is a lot less than an increase right now. Especially the joke of a 1% right at the end, which is just there to get the headline figure up, and the headline figure is all the media (and, unfortunately, some staff) focus on.
What does the local bargaining 1% mean?
You reckon people would strike over 2.25%? Thats what the Union would need.
There you go with 'strike' again. There are a lot of forms of industrial action other than all out strike.
Semantics. I never said "all out strike", one day strikes is still "strike". I meant one day strikes.
You reckon people would vote for industrial action for 2.25%?
Do PS pensioner also get this rise?
Yes.. eventually.
thanks .. by Dec,2024, higher tax bracket will see an increase of less than 100 euro (after tax) per month.
The unions just said on the radio final decision to be made on the 25th of March.
No decision before then
Yeah I've always wondered what this means also, if anyone can enlighten us?
Let the back bay build up before putting it to the vote to ensure it goes through.
10.25% is a nice headline but the reality is, it is 9.25% and over 2.5 years. Just too long. Would have begrudgingly accepted it over 2 years but 2.5 is just too much of a stretch
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