How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
Mod warning:
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425200/#Comment_121425200
The Unions really haven't done anything about the erosion of pension entitlements over the last number of decades - or indeed the different treatment of these staff - it was very easy to bring in at the time as it effected very few Union members.
One would hope that people who have started employment since then have signed up to the union in their droves to try drive equal treatment of staff but I doubt that's actually happened.
Back to the WRC tomorrow for updates on the sides' positions.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/01/24/unions-and-government-to-return-to-wrc-to-consider-path-forward-after-public-sector-pay-talks-stalled/. returning to WRC tomorrow to give updates from both sides , negotiations could start back up then.
You don't no this but you know how the end of the pay deal talks go.
It has
Think you are mixing up posters. I did report your man who claimed he knew the deal though. Isn’t fair on people looking for updates and coming on to see that shite.
SIPTU and members of the Public Service Committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions have been invited into discussions at the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) this morning at 11.00 a.m.
We will give a formal update on our respective positions with respect to the potential to negotiate a proposal on public sector pay.
We will continue to keep you apprised of any further developments.
Thank you.
Ní neart go cur le cheile,
I don't see the situation going as far as organised mass strikes for a few reason but IF that were to happen there's zero chance the unions are in a position to pay anything to striking workers.
It's an often misguided thought that they have the funds (or indeed human capital and technical payment platform infrastructure) to do this, even for a single day.
The cost alone, assuming a notional wage bill of 20 billion (I appreciate it is greater then this currently) divided up per day work out at circa:
€54,794,520
Granted, not everyone on that pay bill would be on strike (management grades etc some others) but lets just say 50 percent were (very low estimate), the union would need cash reserves of over 25 Million just to compensate for one days strike at their current rates.
Some would say that strike pay does not equal the daily rate of a persons salary - its a much lower figure. Okay so lets say a very low figure of 250,000 public service members were to go on strike at a rate of €100 each - that again works out at 25 million.....(conservative estimate on public sector union membership there as well)
There's no way the combined cash reserves of the public sector Unions is 25 million.
So forget about any level of strike pay.
(Back of beermat calculations)
Edit:
I've just seen a report from SIPTU on their finances from 2019 - at the time they held 25Million in reserve - perhaps I am misguided in the belief that they didn't have the money and they are only one union.
They would find it difficult to distribute it however.
Strike pay isn’t given for one day strikes or even at the start of an all out.
It would be nowhere near your gross or net pay. It’s to keep the lights and some food on the table, nothing more. The size of the public sector wage bill is irrelevant.
Okay, so wheres your attempt to quantify it?
I've stated what it would be at 100 per person per day - at very low numbers.
How much would it be?
At what point does it kick in?
How would it be distributed?
I doubt the unions have ever had to come close to considering these questions.
As others have stated - keeping the lights on and food on the table isn't cheap these days......
I think that if people do end up being asked to vote on strike action, they have the cold hard facts in front of them.
page 54 outlines the dispute pay benefit
Any updates on today?
Can’t see anything , thought there would be one
They may still be in there.
Could well be! Then they defo went back into negotiations I suppose. The times are odd though sometimes, they can start late
Deal close according to Union sources. Not much additional information in the article.
It’s a done deal according to the Irish Times
Pay deal for 385,000 public sector workers agreed after all-night talks
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2024/01/26/pay-deal-for-385000-public-sector-workers-set-to-be-agreed-after-all-night-talks/
They’ve edited the article to include a very.
Hopefully they share the information of the deal today
I’d say they will share it this morning after meeting the other unions. Hard to comment yet without the breakdown but 10% is pretty cool.
It says they’ll meet unions at 11am. Around 10% headline figures mentioned. If it’s 9.5%, you’d be hoping it’s a 2 year deal, rather than 2.5
Yeah defo. Hopefully there’s more in 2024 then there was!
From X.
That will sail through , happy with that.
Can anyone share that IT article it's behind a paywall for me.
Listening to radio one and how it went on all night. All I could picture was them all leaning back in recliners eating Dominies saying ‘no comrades, too soo to go out, let’s string it out a few hours, justify our 6 figures’
Hahaha yeah the nighttime stuff is truly pathetic. I wonder do they wear matching pyjamas.
In fairness, if the deal is what's suggested on the Twitter / X comment above I'll be happy. And possibly have to revise upwards my view of the union negotiators.
So 2.5 now, backdated to 1st Jan 2024? 4% on 1st July 2024, and 4% on 1st July 2025. New deal then from 1st July 2026. Something like that?
itll be March/April before the first increase cos the deal will have to be voted in. Id say they will split the increases in more piddly amounts than your guesses unfortunately.
