How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Yeah they really need to start being a bit more proactive tbh. What’s this bolix now of waiting to be called back. Set a date they want the improved offer so they/we know where we stand. I probably wouldn’t send the ballot papers out without the improved offer but if that isn’t forthcoming then absolutely send them out. Government seems to be taking the piss out of them and us at this stage.
I’d expect some action this week. It’s only been a week since the offer. Unions would need time to figure out their own position and then get together to discuss it.
Yeah but I think the offer was delayed itself tbh, heightening my own impatience. They let the old deal pass, that is a rarity.
according to business post today-
"Government unlikely to up 8.5% public sector pay rise offer
No date set yet for resumption of talks on proposed increase described by unions as ‘unacceptable’
The government is unlikely to move much beyond its offer of an 8.5 per cent pay increase for public sector workers because of concerns it would heap more pressure on private businesses by setting an unrealistic and inflationary bar for wage increases.
Talks between the government and the main public sector unions were suspended just over a week ago, when unions rejected an offer of 8.5 per cent pay increases over the next 2.5 years."
the reality is the government were happy to give some private workers an extra 12.8% this year alone plus 14 billion extra to social welfare recipients
many private sector workers are ear marked for a 4% rise this year
why is it so hard for government to look after its own workers who are also struggling with serious cost of living rises
many sectors like education and health are struggling to retain or recruit workers
What are you talking about?
Governments progress legislation with multi year impacts all the time.
Nearly every government decision impacts a horizon beyond the current electoral cycle
“The government is unlikely to move much beyond its offer of an 8.5 per cent pay increase for public sector workers because of concerns it would heap more pressure on private businesses by setting an unrealistic and inflationary bar for wage increases”
Not our problem lads. Really time for the Unions to hit back strongly and quickly now.
But the issue is ,it is our problem. The government won’t want to be seen giving 15% pay rises, that’s just the reality of it. The article is correct they are unlikely to move much beyond it. 10% I’d imagine.
Where’s that 14 billion figure from?
It’s their reasoning that I’m calling out in that they’re saying it’ll possibly be used as a benchmark for future private sector pay increases. That’s not our problem.
This Govt would never give us a 15% pay increase. Look what happened with the large but very necessary pay increases that came about through Benchmarking. Those increases were utterly essential but still get talked about as reckless. At the time people were leaving the CS in droves to take up all sorts of (less specialist) jobs in the private sector at much higher wages, we were haemorrhaging staff yet it was portrayed as an ATM pay increase since.
10% over 2 years would sail through with people very happy about it.
Yeah fair enough the reasoning shouldn't be our problem I agree. Yeah 10% over 2 years is what I’m thinking could be arrived at.
Government have the upper hand
Do the unions really want to be negotiating with Sein Fein after an election where they are promising "change"
And going by the mess up in Stormont the unions must be nervous
There’s no election looming in the immediate future. Your logic makes no sense. A snap election is incredibly unlikely.
Id prefer to deal with SF than FG. That’s coming from someone who would never vote for either.
Last I checked the shinners where not in Government,the unions need to get the ballots out they have to give notice to do this then more notice if there to strike which gives plenty of time to run the public service employees down throught the media ,saying where looking for to much with the cost of inflation going down.
You can see this allready with the bollox pascal going to the papers straight after the last round of talks.
Look what happened with the large but very necessary pay increases that came about through Benchmarking. Those increases were utterly essential but still get talked about as reckless.
And those very pay increases were wiped out FEMPI measures not long afterwards.
That part is often conveniently forgotten in any discussion about benchmarking.
They gave it with one hand, but took it away with the other.
So will productivity rise with this paydeal? Ya'll gotta give something back in leiu of the haddington road hours?
Why would productivity rise?
Don't think that's part of any deal.
And on top of that....as has been said already why didn't they apply tye same logic to minimum wage and social welfare....they will put just as much if not more pressure on SMEs ...they didn't appear to give two solitary fooks then!
So basically where we are at is the WRC asked the Unions to give the Government time to reflect on the rejection of the initial pitiful offer and minimal improved offer. There's no set date I presume, just waiting on the Government to drag their heels again back to the WRC. Surely if there is no offer this week, or if there is and that offer is rejected as well, the ballots should be sent to members shortly after.
Work harder to earn less, is that what you want?
The last deal was a pay cut, even after it was revised.
The next deal is almost certainly going to be another pay cut.
We can't keep going on like this.
I’d agree with that prediction.
I can see moves being made to issue ballots from next week if there is no movement. Seems to be a growing sentiment that people are gearing up for strike action.
infinite social welfare for people who have no interest in working buys votes, paying public workers properly doesn't
The stats are clear. They're giving a 1.75% pay rise for 2024, a 3.2% pay rise for 2025 and an undefined pay rise for 2026.
These are all effective pay cuts as they don't go anywhere near addressing inflation from 2023.
you must have replied to my comment by accident there.
Those on welfare are more likely to vote SF. Those working in the public sector are more likely to vote FF/FG. That'd be their (FF/FG) logic.
1.75 + 3.2 is greater than inflation from 2023. You’re stats are clear and don’t tell the story you’re trying to tell.
Its disappointing because it’s not hard to use the figures and tell an equivalent story that is correct.
Non necessarily, this pay rise is a necessity to offset the cost of living increases due to inflation. It’s not a gift.
The rises should only be accepted if they start on Jan 1 of each year. (back dated for 2024) Additional annual leave should be sought for lower grades also. Additional leave could also keep the percentage rises low for headlines. Can't see there being much uproar for a couple of days tbh.
What do you think inflation for 2023 was?
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