How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Disciplinary issues of non-members are no concern of any union and never will be.
Well its not nothing. Forsa membership could affect a mortgage approval amount by up to 2000 euro. And of course the added loss of the annual fees, of up to 425 euro is it? A few years of that is not insignificant.
My post wasn't specifically about mortgage applicants, they're just one example. You might have no idea why somebody doesn't join a union.
Whatever they have going on, I'm sure they'll be devastated that you're disappointed in them anyway.
You're entitled to a certain number of uncertified sick leave. Can they amend this as suits? A sick note is not difficult to get either. There's really no excuse for a public servant to cross a picket line while they colleagues are trying to help then get better terms and conditions. It really is the lowest of the low.
Maybe they should have thought about the risks when they decided not to join the union? It's their problem to manage.
A family member was working for AIB during the bank strike of 1976. I remember a discussion about twenty years later, suggesting that they still remembered exactly who the strike breakers were, and treated them accordingly.
Only certified sick leave is allowed.
They mean it scuppers their position
"Firstly, negotiating with every non-union employee is practically impractical."
Eh this is how its done in the almost the entirety of the private sector.
Ring in sick.
I didn’t say it was equitable, I said membership is structured in such a way that it is affordable for everyone.
Higher grades pay a lower percentage of the wages in union dues yet have the same benefits as those who pay a higher percentage at the lower grades. How is that equitable?
Were sent to nurses too a few years back. Never follwed up on because it's a guaranteed industrial action escalation
I can confirm such notices were circulated in my Department at the time too.
If it comes to it, and strike days do occur this time, I am expecting Management to direct that annual leave be suspended as before, and also any requests to WFH on that day (that is not part of an already agreed and signed off WFH agreement) to be refused.
The union wouldn't stand for that... Oh wait...
Seriously though, even the unions would increase their actions based on an actual action like that
If they aren't in the union and don't turn up for work, then they are AWOL and can be disciplined.
There were some strongly worded notices circulated to that effect back in 2009 when the last strikes occurred.
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Is that not what could happen? Who did I said had the opinion??
That anyone said they deserved disciplinary action. Or even close.
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People love putting words in the mouth of others
No of the course they shouldn’t. It’s a ludicrous opinion to have.
So they should accept being subject to disciplinary action because you went on strike?
Precisely. I've no problem with anyone who doesn't want to be in a union even if they take the benefits that unions negotiate on behalf of their members. Yet anyone who crosses a picket is the worse type of person - there's no excuses for that.
i think that’s a pathetic attitude. Either way can see there being a strike.
I'm not blaming anyone for not being in the union.
I absolutely will blame anyone who crosses a picket.
Unions membership structures are designed so that they are affordable for everyone. Not being able to afford the membership fee is never a valid reason for not joining. Equally, the membership fee is so low, it makes almost no difference to your saving capacity from a mortgage perspective.
If people don't want to join a Union, that's their own choice and I respect that. There's no need to manufacture an excuse like "I cannot afford it". Equally, if a colleague choose to cross the picket, I respect them and their choice. They are a professional colleague and I will be professional to them but you've crossed the picket and by the same metric, they can respect that I am disappointed in them.
I've also seen union members who were in the middle of applying for a mortgage not take part in strikes due to how it may affect their application.
Strikes are no fun. And its no good to point the finger at anyone.
Yep , I respect my colleagues choices regarding union membership and their actions. A few angry types on here don’t.
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People may not join the union for many reasons. Maybe they cant afford it? Maybe they're saving for a mortgage and have to reduce their outgoings by every cent possible. Maybe the union let them down on a personal issue. Maybe they're disappointed by the union's performances in previous pay deals.
You can't blame anyone for not being in the union. And they didn't choose for the union to be the sole negotiator of pay deals.
Complete and utter horseshit. Respect is always a two way street.
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