How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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poxy!
I don't blame them, I blame the union for accepting that the government allows their negotiated deal be applied to non members.
They need to be more strict in that.
Disrespect is knowing that people are taking the financial hit, to pay subs and not work those days, to try to attempt to improve all pay/conditions and not contributing
Yep fair enough. But I can’t blame people for not striking if they aren’t in a union.
No one said that they get "Blame" but I can easily understand why people would be pissed at them and it should never cross a line to attempt to force people to do something.
It is not in the DPERs interest to do that.
Firstly, negotiating with every non-union employee is practically impractical.
Secondly, if only Union members got the increase then it would force everyone to join the Union. This would make the Union stronger. Why would the government do that?
Finally, the Unions have no control over non-union members. If the Government choose to apply a similar deal or no deal to non-union employees, they have no right to tell the Government what to do.
The current system is flawed but I'm yet to hear of a better one (or to think of a better one myself).
2. It encourages people to join the Union and makes the Unions stronger. Why would the Government do that?
3. Yes, Union rates do exist but not on this scale. Because of point 1, the Government would never accept a deal on that condition. I highly doubt people would vote for Industrial Action over it and the Government would make the Unions go that far imo.
The Unions would love the condition but its in no way feasible.
If they're delighted with their remuneration, they can send back they extra that they get as a result of their colleagues' efforts.
But we both know that's not going to happen.
If they're not prepared to respect their colleagues decision to withdraw labour in these extreme circumstances, they may be in for some nasty shocks when they get back to work.
Complete and utter horseshit. Respect is always a two way street.
People may not join the union for many reasons. Maybe they cant afford it? Maybe they're saving for a mortgage and have to reduce their outgoings by every cent possible. Maybe the union let them down on a personal issue. Maybe they're disappointed by the union's performances in previous pay deals.
You can't blame anyone for not being in the union. And they didn't choose for the union to be the sole negotiator of pay deals.
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Yep , I respect my colleagues choices regarding union membership and their actions. A few angry types on here don’t.
I've also seen union members who were in the middle of applying for a mortgage not take part in strikes due to how it may affect their application.
Strikes are no fun. And its no good to point the finger at anyone.
Unions membership structures are designed so that they are affordable for everyone. Not being able to afford the membership fee is never a valid reason for not joining. Equally, the membership fee is so low, it makes almost no difference to your saving capacity from a mortgage perspective.
If people don't want to join a Union, that's their own choice and I respect that. There's no need to manufacture an excuse like "I cannot afford it". Equally, if a colleague choose to cross the picket, I respect them and their choice. They are a professional colleague and I will be professional to them but you've crossed the picket and by the same metric, they can respect that I am disappointed in them.
I'm not blaming anyone for not being in the union.
I absolutely will blame anyone who crosses a picket.
i think that’s a pathetic attitude. Either way can see there being a strike.
Precisely. I've no problem with anyone who doesn't want to be in a union even if they take the benefits that unions negotiate on behalf of their members. Yet anyone who crosses a picket is the worse type of person - there's no excuses for that.
So they should accept being subject to disciplinary action because you went on strike?
No of the course they shouldn’t. It’s a ludicrous opinion to have.
People love putting words in the mouth of others
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That anyone said they deserved disciplinary action. Or even close.
Is that not what could happen? Who did I said had the opinion??
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If they aren't in the union and don't turn up for work, then they are AWOL and can be disciplined.
There were some strongly worded notices circulated to that effect back in 2009 when the last strikes occurred.
The union wouldn't stand for that... Oh wait...
Seriously though, even the unions would increase their actions based on an actual action like that
I can confirm such notices were circulated in my Department at the time too.
If it comes to it, and strike days do occur this time, I am expecting Management to direct that annual leave be suspended as before, and also any requests to WFH on that day (that is not part of an already agreed and signed off WFH agreement) to be refused.
Were sent to nurses too a few years back. Never follwed up on because it's a guaranteed industrial action escalation
Higher grades pay a lower percentage of the wages in union dues yet have the same benefits as those who pay a higher percentage at the lower grades. How is that equitable?
I didn’t say it was equitable, I said membership is structured in such a way that it is affordable for everyone.
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