How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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If they're delighted with their remuneration, they can send back they extra that they get as a result of their colleagues' efforts.
But we both know that's not going to happen.
If they're not prepared to respect their colleagues decision to withdraw labour in these extreme circumstances, they may be in for some nasty shocks when they get back to work.
2. It encourages people to join the Union and makes the Unions stronger. Why would the Government do that?
3. Yes, Union rates do exist but not on this scale. Because of point 1, the Government would never accept a deal on that condition. I highly doubt people would vote for Industrial Action over it and the Government would make the Unions go that far imo.
The Unions would love the condition but its in no way feasible.
It is not in the DPERs interest to do that.
Firstly, negotiating with every non-union employee is practically impractical.
Secondly, if only Union members got the increase then it would force everyone to join the Union. This would make the Union stronger. Why would the government do that?
Finally, the Unions have no control over non-union members. If the Government choose to apply a similar deal or no deal to non-union employees, they have no right to tell the Government what to do.
The current system is flawed but I'm yet to hear of a better one (or to think of a better one myself).
No one said that they get "Blame" but I can easily understand why people would be pissed at them and it should never cross a line to attempt to force people to do something.
Yep fair enough. But I can’t blame people for not striking if they aren’t in a union.
I don't blame them, I blame the union for accepting that the government allows their negotiated deal be applied to non members.
They need to be more strict in that.
Disrespect is knowing that people are taking the financial hit, to pay subs and not work those days, to try to attempt to improve all pay/conditions and not contributing
poxy!
No invitations for fresh negotiations yet.
Thanks
Wouldn’t be comfortable crossing a picket line anyway, would have to call in sick or apply for unpaid leave I guess.
Yeah I actually agree with non union members about the pay increase. But you can’t force someone to join a union. You also cant blame them when they get the increase as well as union members as it’s completely outside their control . Why would you expect a non union member to strike if they didn’t want to, just strange thinking. It’s disrespect.
They may be happy but there are thousands of their colleagues struggling.
I actually think that non union members should NOT get union negotiated pay increases and should have to bargain for their own, individually.
That would, honestly, account for your hypothetical person.
They could cross any line they want, not pay subs, but not get any increases or protections from the union
What are you on about? If your colleague is happy with their pay , what business is that of yours? The answer is none.
And what happens when it's something that they DO NOT agree with. Are we supposed to support them then?
The whole point of a union is strength in numbers allows us to tackle issues which come up, even if they only affect a few people.
We all take some personal hits, to ensure that we are all protected. The amount of people I have seen only join a union when something affects their little area is annoying.
its not really fair though is it , that it has to be for all, they are fighting for their own increase tbh. Id respect my colleagues decision not to strike , maybe they are delighted with their remuneration. I’d be very surprised if it got to strike stage anyways.
Who are also the colleagues PAYING a lot of money into the union to be able to fight this. Someone crossing the line taking all the benefits of the sacrifice of their workmates? Not on
The only people who should cross a line guilt free are contractors. They can get fired if they don't cross
They lost an entire team of about twelve ICT graduate trainees (EO level I think) who doubled their salary by moving to VMWARE a year or two back.
If a non-member crosses a picket line, they can expect a very cold shoulder from colleagues who are out on the line fighting for a pay increase for all. Line managers will probably be instructed to refuse holiday requests for that day also, so that cop out won't be available.
You can expect some very unhappy colleagues too.
The school won't technically close for staff, though parents may be advised not to send in children. If you show up as normal and cross a picket line, you can expect a cold shoulder from your colleagues who are out on the line fighting for your salary increase for some time after.
I'm not sure if that's allowed, leave in our place last strike was only allowed if booked before strike date announced iirc
The most important figure is the CPI (i.e. the official measure of inflation). The latest figure is 4.6%. I am assuming the official yearly figure will be Jan 1 - Jan 1.
Inflation still relatively persistent possibly rising again ..
House insurance was up by 9.1pc in the year. This is more than twice the general level of inflation, which was 4.6pc in the year to December.
Excluding energy and unprocessed food, the index rose by 5.8pc in the 12 months to last December. This is known as core inflation.
For last year as a whole, the annual average rate of inflation was 6.3pc. This compares with an increase of 7.8pc for 2022 and an increase of 2.4pc for 2021.
looks like prices could be on the way back up again - union needs to push for a robust deal
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IIRC in the Civil Service, all annual leave is suspended on strike days, unless it was applied for and approved prior to the announcement of a strike day.
On the issue of strike pay, the Unions don't pay for one day strikes.
But at least (depending on your personal tax situation) most of a one day loss of pay would come off the amount of tax / deductions paid first, so the hit is not as bad as you'd expect.
Any news on when they pay talks will resume?
Also, please stop entertaining the trolls!
Increments aren’t guaranteed, they are performance related.
This did not negate what I stated. The point I made re Donohoe is that there is a market out there and he pays the price for some goods fully up front without any choice in the matter whereas he uses the organs of the state to maintain control/suppression of the wages of public sector workers. That's a simple reality, and not poison. I mean . . . Who asked Donohoe to make the pension levy (a pay cut) permanent in 2018?
The vast majority of starting salaries in teaching are utterly appalling because the likes of Donohoe abuse young people by not ensuring they are placed on proper contracts, making their pensions worse and, yes, putting them on salary scales that take 25 years to reach the top at a wage an accountant would obtain in a fifth of that time.
There you go again. . . .
For your information I spoke to a 2021 teacher graduate of PE/Science. There were sixty in her class who graduated. 50 of them had left by 2022 and 57 had emigrated by Summer 2023. . . . . But hey they have it so cosy according to you.
As well as spreading deliberate misinformation bordering on lies you also abuse people on this forum which speaks volumes.
COs are difficult to recruit everywhere and many leave for higher paid private sector jobs within a year or two.
Usually all leave is cancelled in the event of a strike.
If you're not in the union you must present for work otherwise you will be disciplined by HR
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