How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I haven't heard of Revenue having any issues with hiring or retention. Where is this coming from? Someone else posted something similar as well.
Show me where I mentioned middle east, in any posts?
Fantastic diversion though, well done. That is one of the most radical attempts to divert from a losing position I've seen here yet.
I'm sure we'd be hearing a lot more from teachers and Gardai if they were not in the top 20%, say they were in the bottom 20%, so actually it is an important distinction to make.
It also helps students choosing a career when I provide stats like this, so they can compare one sector over another or one job over another.
Are you suggesting we should privatize education and healthcare like it is in the Middle East and allow individual employers set the rate of pay instead? You seem to be making a lot of comparisons to the middle east, so I assume this is what you are suggesting.
I agree.
I've no choice to accept of reject a deal no matter whether it's good or bad.
I've been on the management side of union negotiations. The unions are only in it for themselves at the end of the day in my opinion. I and 300 of my colleagues lost jobs thanks to a particular union while the lead negotiator got promoted to union head and sits on several semi state boards.
I'd probably take the day off.
Who cares if they're in the top anything. The top 20% to 10% should be absolutely loaded. This country is following neolib crap of consolidation to the absolute upper echelons.
That is why I said the competition.
Teachers, gardaí, and nurses are leaving their professions and/or the country.
The competition is the global market.
IT staff are on a potential 50% salary discount for the stability privilege but that's not getting the new talent interested in joining.
I could get double (at least) my salary, in the private. I don't want that, I worked for the mega rich long enough.
BUT I will not accept being pissed on by my employer, who are promoting the widening gap. I just want to not be poorer for the work I do for them
This is a lie in respect of teachers and Gardai.
As I explained previously, teachers and Gardai spend the majority of their careers within the top 20% of all income earners in Ireland.
I haven't checked the others, but they probably aren't far off the top 20% either after allowances are included.
You really think people in the private sector get their final salary on the first day of the job? You really haven't a clue and ought to be nowhere near children spreading your poison and misinformation.
Graduates to the private sector have a starting salary that is increased with gained experience and performance reviews. Any % increases is usually inclusive of all, not a guaranteed increment first with the pay increase applied on top.
We are a long long long way off an all out strike. I wouldn’t worry.
The poster has no choice but to take a deal. They do have a personal choice not to strike though. I respect my colleagues therefore I’ll let them decide what is right for them.
I’m a teacher so kinda guessing the school would close, but even if it didn’t don’t think I would like to show up at work as normal anyway.
Does anybody know if Forsa pay strike pay?
I recognise that strike pay would probably be nominal, and nothing near full pay, but if this develops into a strike, anything that contributes towards a hot cup of coffee while standing on a picket would be nice.
But while they take the financial hit for everyone, you'll do none and still take the better deal?
The scenarios are already discussed in the office. If people are on strike there'll be no services offered.
Well you've no respect for your colleagues so.
I'm in the same boat. I'll cross the line and work. Can't afford not to but I'll be doing my job to the letter and not doing extra stuff I do. Will make for some very unhappy customers.
You sourced nothing. You disputed why I was coming up with "old figures", as you put it.
What a bizarre analogy.
Eh, I sourced the older (2008) Dper figures for you.
I was hardly disputing them, I was using them to show you your error by including the commercial semi states.
Your response was the usual "no one can accept facts" sh1te
I even got you the Q2 2023 ones.
I used two different sources - one from the CSO, the other from the DPER. You couldn't dispute the DPER figures as they were quite detailed.
You've gone from claiming a 3.5% increase in PS numbers, questioning my ability "to accept facts" to finally acknowledging the true figure.
You made it more difficult than it needed to be for sure but I wouldn't call it a victory, except maybe for basic fact checking.
Indeed. . . . When Paschal Donohoe brings the wife for a steak dinner he doesn't get to choose the price of the steak based on the experience of the chef. He gets told the price and that's it. Basically the same as any other product from the private sector in neo-liberalist corporate Ireland.
Yet all these principles go out the window when deciding on the wage of state employees.
Yep , you are absolutely correct. That poster understands zero of the above. The increments save the government a fortune.
No rush lads!
Perhaps a one-day strike. I expect the unions to refuse the government's second offer and ballot for strike action. A one-day strike is the likely next step.
Amazed that there is so little imagination and understanding in DPER. Offering rates below social welfare increases is madness. Increase the offer for the lower-paid, and knock a couple of percentage points off the pension levy for the higher paid and you will get a deal.
is it starting to look like a strike
If you are a not a union member, you can cross a picket line, but it is your choice.
If a union member crosses a picket line, generally they will be expelled from the union, and won't receive strike pay, if the union is paying any.
Non-members are not entitled to any strike pay.
I fully agree. The increments are clearly outlined in my contract. When I sign the contact I am focused on the top of the scale not the bottom off the scale and I am not somehow grateful when my increments are then applied.
For any particular grade the increments stop after between 7 and 13 increments, some roles may be slightly different. After that 7 or 13 years if a staff member does not get promoted to a higher grade they will spend the vast majority of their working life at the top of their particular scale. That could be 30 years at the top of their scale.
Often from one grade to the next there is a high degree of overlap. So if promoted you won’t go on to get another batch of fresh increments starting at increment 1. You could be started at point 7 or 8 leaving only a few more until they reach the top of that scale.
Not a union member, what happens if there are strikes? Presume I can’t cross a picket line.
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