How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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It's 388k at the end of Q2.
The important point was to ensure your incorrect single digit growth figure was challenged.
No need to "so what it" once corrected.
There was a very narrow discussion centered on establishing the correct growth in PS numbers.
Any economy with full employment will have sectoral staff retention and recruitment issues. You also have to recognize that no organization will admit to being fully or overstaffed.
R&R issues are not solely caused by pay. Stating that almost 400k people need a higher pay offer because of a couple of sector specific claims is crazy.
Salaried teachers not wanting to correct State exams points to a wider issue imo but will leave that here to avoid upsetting any teachers.
Office staff are hard to get.
Garda numbers down
Importing (while exporting) nurses, and those imported nurses are leaving too
Teacher shortage
IT staff with massive gaps
Engineering depts understaffed
Revenue struggling to keep up
So not only are those roles underpaid Vs the cost of living they are ALL underpaid Vs the competition
Is this some sort of victory for you? The reality is you tried to claim that there was massive increases in public sector employment when the stats clearly show that the growth in public service numbers didn't even come near population growth.
I met a Filipino nurse at an outpatients appointment of mine and even she was getting ready to leave! We can't even convince honest working people to stay here for more than a few years, just keep upping the dole again and again if that doesn't follow inflation how will Anto feed the dealer
why would teachers want to correct poorly paid state exams when approx. 2/3 of any compensation is deducted its almost laughable between exorbitant house prices, out of control rents and countless deductions from pay very little incentive to stay in the country no wonder so many public servants have had enough and are in dubai, Australia etc.
Back on topic for the hundredth time, this is exhausting. Any more updates? I thought gov were meeting unions early this week? Assumed it was today
Think it's happening on Thursday?
Not a union member, what happens if there are strikes? Presume I can’t cross a picket line.
I fully agree. The increments are clearly outlined in my contract. When I sign the contact I am focused on the top of the scale not the bottom off the scale and I am not somehow grateful when my increments are then applied.
For any particular grade the increments stop after between 7 and 13 increments, some roles may be slightly different. After that 7 or 13 years if a staff member does not get promoted to a higher grade they will spend the vast majority of their working life at the top of their particular scale. That could be 30 years at the top of their scale.
Often from one grade to the next there is a high degree of overlap. So if promoted you won’t go on to get another batch of fresh increments starting at increment 1. You could be started at point 7 or 8 leaving only a few more until they reach the top of that scale.
If you are a not a union member, you can cross a picket line, but it is your choice.
If a union member crosses a picket line, generally they will be expelled from the union, and won't receive strike pay, if the union is paying any.
Non-members are not entitled to any strike pay.
is it starting to look like a strike
Perhaps a one-day strike. I expect the unions to refuse the government's second offer and ballot for strike action. A one-day strike is the likely next step.
Amazed that there is so little imagination and understanding in DPER. Offering rates below social welfare increases is madness. Increase the offer for the lower-paid, and knock a couple of percentage points off the pension levy for the higher paid and you will get a deal.
No rush lads!
Yep , you are absolutely correct. That poster understands zero of the above. The increments save the government a fortune.
Indeed. . . . When Paschal Donohoe brings the wife for a steak dinner he doesn't get to choose the price of the steak based on the experience of the chef. He gets told the price and that's it. Basically the same as any other product from the private sector in neo-liberalist corporate Ireland.
Yet all these principles go out the window when deciding on the wage of state employees.
You've gone from claiming a 3.5% increase in PS numbers, questioning my ability "to accept facts" to finally acknowledging the true figure.
You made it more difficult than it needed to be for sure but I wouldn't call it a victory, except maybe for basic fact checking.
I used two different sources - one from the CSO, the other from the DPER. You couldn't dispute the DPER figures as they were quite detailed.
Eh, I sourced the older (2008) Dper figures for you.
I was hardly disputing them, I was using them to show you your error by including the commercial semi states.
Your response was the usual "no one can accept facts" sh1te
I even got you the Q2 2023 ones.
What a bizarre analogy.
You sourced nothing. You disputed why I was coming up with "old figures", as you put it.
I'm in the same boat. I'll cross the line and work. Can't afford not to but I'll be doing my job to the letter and not doing extra stuff I do. Will make for some very unhappy customers.
Well you've no respect for your colleagues so.
The scenarios are already discussed in the office. If people are on strike there'll be no services offered.
But while they take the financial hit for everyone, you'll do none and still take the better deal?
Does anybody know if Forsa pay strike pay?
I recognise that strike pay would probably be nominal, and nothing near full pay, but if this develops into a strike, anything that contributes towards a hot cup of coffee while standing on a picket would be nice.
I’m a teacher so kinda guessing the school would close, but even if it didn’t don’t think I would like to show up at work as normal anyway.
The poster has no choice but to take a deal. They do have a personal choice not to strike though. I respect my colleagues therefore I’ll let them decide what is right for them.
We are a long long long way off an all out strike. I wouldn’t worry.
You really think people in the private sector get their final salary on the first day of the job? You really haven't a clue and ought to be nowhere near children spreading your poison and misinformation.
Graduates to the private sector have a starting salary that is increased with gained experience and performance reviews. Any % increases is usually inclusive of all, not a guaranteed increment first with the pay increase applied on top.
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