How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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They have nothing to do with it.
But they sure like to voice their opinions on it.
Always negatively.
What do ISME even have to do with public pay? Last time I checked the state wasn't small or medium
ISME are just sour they have been mandated to increase minimum wage by 12.8% in an attempt to compensate workers for massive cost of living rises
Yep, and you might as well stop at "ISME" because nothing positive ever follows it.
ISME (Neil McDonnell) news is nothing news though isn't it?
Always against any public sector pay deal. Always against any raising of the minimum wage.
The usual boring twaddle from somebody who represents business owners and will never care a jot for the working man and woman.
Not just biased, but actively in bed with far right media group Grift.
RTÉ at it again. Every time there's public pay disputes you can guarantee coverage, like this.
Same when the nurses did their last. RTÉ constantly on with patient families about how it was impacting them, when those issues were systemic and exactly WHY they were having the action.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0115/1426581-isme-on-pay-talks/. When you are so obviously biased what’s the point someone asking your opinion.
Ah nice, yeah we woulda heard today and Wed isn’t early week haha
One of the articles I read last week said "early next week" so maybe tomorrow
Yeah I think I read “next week” last week
I don't think they've given a day publicly yet.
Yeah , many I know lost out on more. I was happy they revisited the deal that’s for sure.
What day are the talks supposed to resume this week? Or has this not been organised yet?
Which turned out to be about as useful as tits on a bull.
We still lost out 6.5-7% over the last 'deal'
Hmmmm, not so sure I’d trust IBEC and their stats on something like this. IBEC will spin stats to suit their agenda, part of which is to lobby the Government in ways to benefit their members such as ensuring profits are as high as possible and public spending remains as low as possible.
Even their members would have motivation to under report increases in wages.
Then the private sector would join unions and collectively bargin.
We should be using our positions to raise eachother not benchmark down like the dumbest turkey voting for Christmas
It is not the reality but your opinion.
Let’s imagine it is the case and public pay is 3 times higher than private pay. Would you be happy if your children could only get a 2 bed house with 1hr commute from their jobs in private sector when someone with the same competences in public sector could afford buying a 4 bed house in a better location? Would you tell them it is a fair situation?
That’s not exactly the future I would like for next generations. It would just divide more people and when you see the crazy and untrue stories some anti public sector people are mentioning on this thread…
The reality is that we shouldn't be using the private sector wage supression to voluntarily supress our own.
It is a nice concept but it is only that; a concept. The reality is different.
We can use historical data and compare cumulative pay increase for both sectors during that time to see who has it better. By the way, I don’t know who had it better and it may be private sector.
But that’s the point. The effective pay increase for the public sector is 1.75%. The 12 month increase in salary is 3.5% under the rejected deal (I don’t know how better to phrase that).
The 12 month increase in salary is 3.8% in the private sector. The only valid comparison with this number is 3.5% and the 1.75% is effectively irrelevant unless you can calculate the effective wage increase in my opinion.
I think the 1.75% outrage is justified but I don’t see the relevance of contrasting it with the IBEC figure as they have different underlying assumptions. It’s very easy to sell it when you compare it to the 6.5% we are already out of pocket.
Why on earth would we take pay advice from late capitalist industry, which has spent the decades since Reagan/Thatcher consolidating wealth in the upper leves?
Instead of using each other to, voluntarily, beat our each sectors wages downward, the private sector workers could just as easily look to our good deal and demand their fair share of the wealth which they are generating.
They've been so successfully in pitching private Vs public that we all ignore that we're all just Workers and should be supportive of each and all.
If I were working for DPER I would fecking love this thread. And were I in the union team I'd despair at some of the discourse
Well we don't know when rises in the private sector occur. We do know that they gain extra benefits (bonuses etc....) which are not available in the public sector.
October 2023 was all of three months ago.
Is that 3.8% on day one of the year? I assume it’s 3.8% comparing the gross salary on the 1st of January 2024 to 2025 (on average).
The IBEC report says pay increases not a 3.8% increase in the wage budget for the year. I’ll admit I have not read the entire document so will take your word.
If you want to say the public sector increase is 1.75% this year, then you have to apply the same methodology to the private sector.
The article is a survey published in Oct 23. The reality could be different.
This is not the case according to IBEC.
They state the following:
"According to the Pay Trends report, 82% of respondents are planning to increase pay in 2024 with an average increase of 3.8%, while 84% of respondents increased basic pay rates in 2023, with an average increase of 4.4%, slightly higher than forecasted in last year’s survey (3.82%)."
An average increase of 3.8% in the private sector (matching the current inflation rate) in 2024 according to IBEC - over double the increase that public servants are being offered in 2024. Furthermore in other areas the government are offering increases in the Jobseekers Allowance of nearly four times greater than they are offering public sector workers. They have also legislated to increase the minimum wage by 12.3% in 2024.
I agree with bren2001’s thinking. I also would add, the increase needs to be fair for everyone. There is no reason for public pay to match inflation and then some more when the private sector increase is far from matching inflation. The same way, I wouldn’t think it is fair for public servant to get 0.5% increase if private sector is getting 3%. We are all on the same boat during good times but also bad times.
It wouldn’t be 50% as not everyone is on the higher rate of tax.
I would like to think in the forecasts by the unions on any deal, this is outlined and taken into account. I assume they have a rule of thumb to calculate it.
Ive seen nothing to suggest it is or it isn’t factored in.
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