How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Yes, you did. If you are at the top of your scale, you got about 10+ of them.
"My cousin"
Broadstroke generalisations are not helpful. There is a stigma that employees working within the civil service are inefficient and are inferior in that respect to their peers working in the private sector.
I’ve worked in subsidiaries of MNE groups where productivity levels in certain departments were absolutely dire and the MNE is still in business.
This is very common in Irish subsidiaries which are set-up as cost-centres for their Parent company. You’ll find certain departments in those subsidiaries are most definitely overstaffed.
In relation to the story about ten people doing the work of two. I’m not saying it’s not true but I’d be sceptical. Likely exaggerated.
Who was put out of work in the banks, probably with no pension, after spending €20 million on this failed project?
What's the legal basis for any employer to withhold an employee's pension btw?
Have you spoken to many people with disabilities about the process of qualifying for DA?
Why do you focus on the group who have a higher increase?
Your fact about 1.75% is correct for most cases. In other words, from October, your salary will have increased by 3.53%. Not so bad.
No, but what you read on here suggests that it isn't easy.
Yet my MIL is on DA for over a decade, nothing wrong with her, other than she had cancer 20 years ago!!
The second person I know on DA said to me, "thank God I'm moved from JSA to DA, I won't have to face activation measures anymore"
Jozef Puska was on DA, yet he was well able to cycle from Mucklagh village into Tullamore, and cycle around following people for hours.
Fair enough , I personally know one and you know 3. How many do you know working? It is small beer.
Jesus I’m shocked you think it’s fair. I think it was a decent offer alright. They will prob end up offering 10 in the end. I think 2 years makes more sense too instead of trying to prediction inflation in 2026.
10% over 2.5 years is even a crap deal tbh :( it'll still get chewed up by past and future inflation before the end of the deal.
it will unfortunately , especially when you take into account inflation % is net. These increases are gross haha. But you gotta be realistic too. We aren’t getting 15% over a year. 10% deal is high for the public sector.
In an email sent to Forsa members, Kevin Callinan said it himself:
The first offer made last night would have put little more than an average of just €5 per week, before deductions, in the wages of low-income public service workers, and €10 per week in the wages of those on middle-incomes in the first year. There was shock in the room when this offer was made. That offer did not include any payment before June 2024.
€5 or €10 a week, before deductions, and only from the latter half of 2024.
Yet, someone who chooses not to work, (and I exclude Carers, Disability etc from that) was rewarded with €12 a week into their hand from 1st January 2024.
How the hell can they justify that?
The more I think about it, the angrier I get. I didn't think it was possible to be anymore disgusted than I was already, but I find that it is possible!
Shocking that you, of all posters, would begrudge those on social welfare €12.
He's not begrudging those on social welfare €12. He's wondering why do the government value those on social welfare a lot more than public servants.
I’m using the exact wording they used to describe me and my views on lower paid workers and the pay deal. It’s a hypocritical position to hold.
am I missing something or the 5€/wk is equal to a gross salary of 14.9k per year?
And middle income would be 29.7k per year. Does it sound right?
A person on minimum wage doing 40hrs/wk would make 26.4k per year.
I don't know how you're turning €5 a week into €14.9k in one year, but tell us your secret.
is there any element of back pay like last time
Nope. Not even to 1st January.
Yeah, 100% and then the pathetic I know an office with 10 ladies using cobol, one of them is an avid knitter
+ I was the number one draft pick in the 1974 NFL draft but I decided to become a self taught brain surgeon instead
The message was: the increase represents 5€/wk for the first year and one of the poster said the increase in 2024 was 1.75%. For 1.75% to represents 5€, the salary needs to be 14.9k.
All of these nonsense public Vs private posts need to be stopped. Clearly from people who either a)believe everything they read in 'opinion' pieces presented as journalism or b) hasn't worked in both.
There are slackers in the private sector who do get away with it, and some even do quite well. There are some in the public sector as well, I've met and know of some in both. In both sides, there are certain sectors that have more, and others that have less.
As for the pensions, nothing can be done with the old ones that's done, and the current ones only benefit over the private sector are that it's mandatory so you don't realise too late to start one , and even then, you need to add a bit more IMHO but most don't.
I'll leave that between the two of you to argue over.
There is no much to argue tbh. The 1.75% is correct. However, Kevin Callinan should explain how he arrived to these 5€ and 10€/wk so people have the context.
unions to need to front load as much of pay rise as possible with shorter time frame - looks like major inflation set to kick off again
"Red Sea crisis could shatter hopes of global economic recovery
World Bank warns of surging energy prices, slower growth and higher inflation as threat rises of disruption to world trade
A prolonged conflict in the Red Sea and escalating tensions across the Middle East risk having devastating effects on the global economy, reigniting inflation and disrupting energy supplies, some of the world’s leading economists warn this weekend.
Before a statement expected on Monday by Rishi Sunak in the House of Commons about UK and US airstrikes on Houthi sites in Yemen, economists at the World Bank say the crisis now threatens to feed through into higher interest rates, lower growth, persistent inflation and greater geopolitical uncertainty."
(The Guardian UK)
^ That's another important point that needs to be factored in and why a deal over two years should be ruled out. The world is still in a very precarious place and this predicted reduction in inflation could easily flip the other way. If Trump gets rejected and USA pulls back from Ukraine then I'd be surprised not to see a significant increase in the cost of living again.
Yep and they should certainly be incorporating an inflation clause like what was seen in the last deal.
In the context of this post I just thought the following article was interesting (even though your post is factually incorrect in many places).
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/contract-is-a-big-sticking-point-for-oliver-callan-over-rte-radio-1s-9am-slot/a1007231941.html
How was it incorporated in the last deal?
“5.7.1 The parties affirm that public service pay and pensions and any related issues shall not be revisited over the lifetime of this Agreement, save where the assumptions underlying this Agreement need to be revisited. In such circumstances, the parties commit to prior engagement.”
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