How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Yeah we know you've posted the exact same thing at least three times now.
Don't worry, you'll be told! but it'll be targeted to hit certain services for maximum political pressure, elsewhere there may be little or no effect at all.
One day strikes are pointless. Most staff will just end up doing the work the day before or after, but losing a day's pay.
Not this again.
That was people, public and private sector, taking advantage of the schools being closed. I'm not aware of any checkpoints on the border asking if people were public servants or not... but that's the assumption the right-wing media predictably jumped to.
They work bloody hard to earn that money - it includes overtime and antisocial hours allowances. These hours take a toll on personal and family life.
But with all that cash they should have no problem recruiting and retaining Gardai, right?
The number of Garda members who resigned last year reached 164, some 50 per cent higher than 2022 and just over six times higher than the number recorded in 2016. Many of those resigning are doing so in the first five years of service.
A Garda campaign targeting recruits aged up to 50 – in a bid to boost numbers after record resignations from the force – will be launched next year, the Irish Mail on Sunday has learned.
It follows a year when the number of rank-and-file gardaí hit its lowest in almost six years.
This year also saw the number of serving gardaí fall below 14,000 for the first time in five years.
In 2023 alone, 156 gardaí have resigned – and this is expected to reach 164 by the end of the month – as members warn the continuous exodus from the force is damaging already depleted morale.
What is it exactly that you hope to achieve by posting continual rubbish in this thread?
It’s a probationary contract I think you’re talking about.
You'd be better to read posts correctly than make assumptions but thank you for proving a number of my points
@Pudsy33 as well
Full time established Civil Servants have no contract of employment.
This is from a PQ a few years back - from our pal Paschal.
“Notwithstanding this because established civil servants cannot be employed under an employment contract - other than a probationary contract - any staff employed on contract will therefore hold unestablished status.” The full response is here - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2017-04-11/437/
Yeah that would sail through, I’d be personally happy with that. I think if the unions endorsed the 8.5 forward it would pass.
In private sector you’d work at a pace three or four times faster than most public sector jobs ( I’ve worked both private & public sector ! )
The pension in public sector is guaranteed for a small circa 5% contribution unlike private sector DC schemes which will never give you the same pension is another big plus for a public sector job .
I’ve worked for the big 4 in accounting and in the civil service. Was given more work in the civil service. Just shows you how pointless one persons example is.
The poster isn’t a civil servant.
Thanks, was not aware of that at all.
Thats what i said.
Clueless jibber jabber.
Im sure there are many roles in the private sector that are a faster pace than some roles in the PS. Likewise there are many PS roles that are faster pace in than the private sector.
The underlying assumption that’s been force fed into Independent Newspaper readers is that 100% of the private sector work at 100% capacity 100% of the time. Simply not true and even putting forward the argument in the way you have is so lazy and ridiculous.
By way of example, in my last role, some of the big solicitor firms would try and poach our staff offering huge pay increases to leave and join them. A couple did including one of worst performers… who was seen as a superstar there. I’m not going to draw conclusions from that one example to slate all private sector though.
I’m flat to the mat in my public service job. It just wouldn’t be possible to do 4 times what I do in a day.
Most of my colleagues are the same.
That’s the reality of a lot of areas in the CS. Some there is shag all to do. Either way if you join hoping to get a pace 25% that of your private sector job you might be very very disappointed haha.
A lot of talk in my office anyways today that if FF were in power alone they would have offered 10% and we would be now entering a good phase pre elections of IR peace. Obviously all hearsay but you never can discount the chatter. On the other hand not one said they would vote for 8.5% over 30 months.
Average earnings in the public sector were approx €47000 in 2022. https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-elcq/earningsandlabourcostsq42022finalq12023preliminaryestimates/
I’d expect this means that the majority of public sector workers pay tax at the marginal rate plus mandatory pension contributions and pension levy.
So the employer (the government) will see a good chunk of that pay increase returned in direct taxes and levies on income, not to mention consumption taxes when what’s netted is spent.
An employer in the private sector sees sweet FA back when salaries rise in their business
FG have never respected nor looked after the public and civil service. Others have murdered public servants mind.
Work to rule is pointless, it ain’t gonna happen. It’ll be one day strikes.
I’m not a civil servant. At no point have I said I was.
I’m public sector. I have a contract. It’s in my office drawer (solely because I just **** signed it).
Check where people work before you quote irrelevant things at them.
Apologies, I misconstrued your original post.
Nice overreaction though.
No bother.
If someone says they have a signed contract in their drawer, they likely have a contract…
I retract my passive aggressive tone from the reply (if that’s possible).
Well any small chance I had of voting ff or fg Is 100% out the window after hearing pascal on newstalk tonight practically goating us in action and trying to spin it like he's not being tight.
There's definitely more support from the public this time around than in previous years, going by the comments on news articles and platforms such as Reddit.
If you decide to slack off that is on you.
Why did you leave the public sector, in that case? Considering you think its so much easier and better.
(I've never worked in a PS role)
8.5, call it 9.5 with more in 2024 and you have a deal
Indeed...it really begs that question.
I'd say they'll come back with something along yhe lines of they needed a challenge and their talents were being wasted in the public sector etc 🙃
Very surprised that the Govt opening gambit was as high as 8.5% over 2.5 years.
Even more surprised that the Unions told them to bolt so strongly… actually delighted they did.
There are major issues in relation to recruitment and retention in the PS and in the CS where I work. This is a major issue, especially in major urban areas where I just don’t know how COs can afford to live. There are major structural problems within the CS that need to be fixed but even bigger problems elsewhere in the PS such as healthcare which is in an almighty mess and where recruitment is impossible in many areas.
This might be the last one size fits all pay agreement as certain sectors need far more attention in relation to recruitment and retention and may need to be targeted appropriately.
Back to pay - go into double digits and reduce agreement to two years, front load a pay increase of 7% from 1st Jan just gone with the remaining paid on 1st Jan 2025 and everyone’s happy.
The opening offer was much less than the 8.5% Bobby. 8.5 was the 2nd offer after the first was quickly rejected.
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