How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Unions need to achieve a 2% or 750€ lump sum payment in February
Then try get another 3% over course of deal
A lump sum payment in February will clinch the deal for members
Do people not reach the end of their incremental scales ?
They can't all be promoted.
The first offer was pathetic, revised offer of 7.5% not much better.
I have been at the top of my scale for the last 12 years, so, no, I do not get "guaranteed increments regardless of performance every year".
But keep shovelling out this BS argument.
Yeah, of course. I'm pretty close to the top of my scale. I'm a long way off a promotion. I'll be sitting on that wage for years.
I wasn't quite thinking of it in that light but this can also happen to private sector workers.
8.5% offered.
No, continually signing up to pay deals which erode our standard of living is stupid.
I'd just rather be realistic
Chasing inflation is realistic.
I'd rather be a massive pain in the ass to our employer then accept a deal that gives everyone an effective pay cut.
If people weren't too complacent to strike then the government wouldn't treat us knowing we won't strike.
Where is this "realism" going to end?
Anyway, we already see the effects of it, can barely recruit COs in Dublin never mind nurses or teachers.
Society needs public services. To deliver these services, wages need to be, to use your word, realistic, in other words not get smaller in real terms every pay deal
I'm also realistic that an inflation matching pay increase that is extremely unlikely to happen won't address those issues but heaven forbid something that would tackle it such as a Dublin allowance is applied
You can always leave and get a job in the private sector. Nobody is forcing you to work in the public sector.
The country is in recession now and owes 5 times more than the national debt 18 years ago. In the last recession hundreds of thousands lost their jobs and incomes, many had to emigrate.
Lots of things are more affordable now compared to 10, 20, 40 years ago. Flight tickets, televisions... I even saw some clothes in Pennies recently and wonder how they can produce and sell them for that, and pay for their staff, overheads, vat, marketing etc.
We've been fed this loads of shite that we shouldn't ask for an increase matching inflation.
We should be asking for more. Because anything less is a decrease and matching inflation is just standing still.
We only get this if we take industrial action.
A Dublin allowance is far less realistic then a inflation matching pay adjustment.
not if you're serious about fixing the problem you mentioned
They don't. It's tied to Performance Appraisals, as required.
It truly is amazing what can be achieved with slave labour.
Also, rather than leaving and working in the private sector I'll wait until the government bring a better offer to the table.
Whatever chance you think we have of getting inflation matching pay adjustments. We have a near 0% chance of getting a Dublin allowance despite it being entirely logical leaving aside the entire decision of who gets it and why.
so the tolls increase each year in line with inflation.
utility providers like vodafone and eir increase their prices each year by inflation.
Banking and finanical unions got wage increased of 4% for 2024 because inflation is forecasted to be 3.2% in 2024.
But CS and PS shouldn't expect wages in line with inflation, of course not. Fair play to the union, they are standing up for their members, at last.
I thought the unions were dead set against a Dublin allowance. It would be a positive step IMO.
"if you want to survive just quit your current job" yeah that isn't far off because every waster Anto with a few kids on the JSA is raking it in while the people dealing with their nonsense applications don't even take home as much as them.
A dublin allowance would be a good idea, because a median salary of say 50k in ballygobackwards gets you a hell of a lot more than 50k in Dublin.
I think you'll find I never said it would happen just that it should, as inflation matching increases won't solve recruitment and retention in Dublin
I think I'd take 8.5% if it all kicked in yesterday...
You said you'd rather be realistic then chase inflation matching pay increments. You then suggested a Dublin allowance would address the recruitment issues.
I agree a Dublin allowance would help address those issues but its in no way realistic. Its less realistic then pay adjustments equaling inflation imo. That was my point.
INTO are in favor of it. I don't know about SIPTU and others.
It'd be great. As much as I disagree with the idea of lower paid workers receiving a higher percentage increase compared to middle or higher paid workers, with a Dublin allowance, you could really do some interesting stuff with how its applied giving lower paid workers a much bigger percentage boost then higher paid. Its probably the only time I wouldn't agree with that perceived inequality.
Not happening any time soon tho.
Its completely realistic to believe a Dublin allowance would address the issues, and its equally realistic to believe it won't happen for a number of reasons including shortsightedness. So yes I've remained realistic and that includes being realistic about chasing inflation. That is my point.
I think you'll find I never claimed you said it would happen. I just said its not realistic. This is a pointless back and forth.
I only now had the chance to read the email from the union and how the deal is structured. On the basis of what I read I would agree not good enough.
