How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I'd just rather be realistic
No, continually signing up to pay deals which erode our standard of living is stupid.
8.5% offered.
Yeah, of course. I'm pretty close to the top of my scale. I'm a long way off a promotion. I'll be sitting on that wage for years.
I wasn't quite thinking of it in that light but this can also happen to private sector workers.
I have been at the top of my scale for the last 12 years, so, no, I do not get "guaranteed increments regardless of performance every year".
But keep shovelling out this BS argument.
The first offer was pathetic, revised offer of 7.5% not much better.
Do people not reach the end of their incremental scales ?
They can't all be promoted.
Unions need to achieve a 2% or 750€ lump sum payment in February
Then try get another 3% over course of deal
A lump sum payment in February will clinch the deal for members
What about the erosion of our living standards over the last 2-3 years? Are we supposed to just suck that up?
What in our economy is becoming more affordable?!?
I think people not getting the increment is pretty rare. You'd want to be really not doing your job to not get the increment. Its as close to guaranteed as you will get in life.
Increments are tied to performance appraisal. That's a requirement of the Haddington Road agreement.
Private sector employs can negotiate their yearly increments. I cannot.
Increments are not relevant to this discussion.
Increments are standard across both the private and public sector as are pay scales.
So, what happens next? They make them sweat with the threat of strike and a few extra % will be accepted eventually. See you all in a few weeks!
Great, become a contractor like Tubs so. Nobody stopping you. Just remember you will lose your security, your pension (worth over a million, not to be sneezed at ), your long coffee breaks, generous holidays and sickies etc. Hope you do not end up like poor Tubrity and lose over 80% of your income some time.
Now answer the question. Do you think if the government gives pay rises it should be paid by
(a) cuts in services
(b) extra government borrowing, to be repaid plus interest by our grandkids
(c) extra taxation - how exactly?
Good input. I think we all understand compound interest. I dont think anybody cares.
If you want to get technical, we'd never get 4% in year 1 in one go, it would be split as 2% and 2% or 1.5% and 2.5%. A fairer headline would be to compound all of that. Again, who cares?
I really don't care when people say "you're getting an X raise". If the headline said "4% in Year 1 and 4% in Year 2", they're still gonna say you're getting 8%.
I don't see how public sentiment effects this. We are not on strike. We have not gone on strike in a while. Our members vote through the deals. Members get emails on the deal structure and advice from the Unions on how to vote. Until that changes, the general public have little to no effect imo.
its a pathetic offer. as others have pointed out an increase of 1% over a 10month period for a part of it. DPER have no intention of doing a deal with this offer and they knew the unions would run a mile from it. No matter how they try to spin it to their journalist pals there is now way any union could recommend this "offer" to their members without risking half of them stopping their subs to make up for the loss of purchase power with inflation.
It's the 2.5 years is the catch here. I'd have happily taken this over 2 years. 2.5 isn't doable though.
I can see govt. coming back with 2 years as they stare down the barrel of possible industrial action.
I think that anything over 8 percent would pass over 2 years.
^^^^^^^
Jesus Christ, no wonder the unions didn't advertise it.
There are always some who think an effective paycut is a fine deal
It's above what I thought they would offer. I think 8.5% is not bad. Obviously i'd take more if offered. My bigger issue would be the length of the agreement.
8.5% over two years would be better. Would have to see 10% to commit to 2.5 year agreement.
It's a good starting point at least.
Cool, so I can ask (from my employer) to pay me the same as the contractors in here? If contractors are seen as the going rate.
Bumper raise for me
Here is the REAL reason you are posting bile. You just don't want public sector workers getting a fair slice. Your mask is slipping
Do you think if the government gives pay rises it should be paid by
He was working for RTE, which is subsidised by the government / taxpayer and has security from government. The majority of RTÉ's activities are of a public service nature. Tubs had the same mentality as most of those in RTE and though he was worth what he was paid there.
Now he has walked in to the private sector and only earns a fraction ( rumoured 50 to 70k a year), and probably glad to get it.
the above adds upto 9.5% not 8.5%, so the offer is even less than the above detail. Hard to see an agreement without some industrial action imo
Yeah. Screw that. Happy they turned that down.
That just looks exactly like the previous lackluster deal but with a loner timeframe.
Drip, drip, drip....
He was a private contractor. He WAS private sector
No I don’t think it does. It’s just the breakdown was originally 7.5% and they upped it by 1% we just didn’t get an updated breakdown.
Initial Government offer was 7.5% over 2.5 years, then increased to 8.5% over 2.5 years. Breakdown is below.
The Union were right to turn that down. It is pathetic. 3.5% this year, majority of it coming in the last 3 months, so behind inflation and losing purchasing power again. Nothing back-dated either despite taking a 9.5% real wage cut from 2021-2023. For a 10 month period there 02/10/24 to 31/07/2025 there's a1% increase. Who thinks that's what inflation will be across a 10-month stretch like that including the winter months?!
I would gain respect for the Unions if they sezied the initiative here, pulled out of talks, and balloted for industrial action.
5 months to local and european elections. Lot of people will remember what they employer thought of them and thought they were worth at the ballot box.
RTE is heavily unionised had has a public sector outlook. It is subsidised by the taxpayer and has security from government. RTE is not private sector. Ryan Tubs thought he was worth the salary RTE was paying him, now in the real world he is working for a fraction of that - and probably glad to get it. Lesson there somewhere.
And you ask if you "want unionised in the private sector and campaign for improvements, what do you suggest". I suggest you are 40 /45 years too late, as lots of people then did join unions in the private sector, threatened to go or did go on strike etc but the firms either closed down or else relocated elsewhere in the world. The vast bulk of the 1.8 million people (or whatever) in the private sector now are not in unions.
When you look at everything you buy or bought, from your phone to the I.T. to your clothes to your holidays to the house you live in to your food to your retail purchases to your entertainment / social spending etc, what % of the workers there are or were in unions? F. all. And there is a reason. Unionised firms could not compete.
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