If your doing that with grass and no maize, meal, wholecrop,etc your in the best farm land in the county with the best climate.your also probably in the top few herds in the country never mind the top percentage
I want milky cows with high solids big difference- if ebi is working why aren’t the low yielding cows doing better % than my cows consistently
over Christmas I showed that when you compare a herd like mine to a typical spring calving system not feeding maize etc you would nearly 2million euros worth of investment to have the same profit
And them figures are manipulated that I know for certain as I got it first hand from the ai company
Ya I agree wholeheartedly it is a complete fabrication and a pipe dream all that's between 4500 litres and close to 8000 is about 350 kgs of meal
What’s your stocking rate on MP?
A good goat 😲😲
Don’t you feed maize and wholecrop….and your highly stocked and suffer from summer droughts ….at a guess your feeding 1.2/1.5 tonne plus depending on year
this grass fed cow is a myth years like 2018 and last year prove it ….when grass don’t grow you feed heavy small high ebi cows don’t pay you back ….this 18 kgdm intake is also load of codswallop ,most cows need more than that ….
The original 0 ebi cow was supposed to do 1350 gallons in old money
F**k me is all I can say
I do think it works. Stan wants milky cows so let him breed that
i want a herd of cows that does high % at modest litres and that can do it off grass. and I am getting that. We do somewhere between 540- 570 kgs ms the last 4 years or so at 3.75-3.8 % protein
The higher you go with litres the more you need to substitute grass to meet the energy requirements she has. Lads then go and complain that cows can’t do it off grass, of course they can’t. They can only take in so much grass during grazing
I'll give you a hint but you're probably well aware that it's under 4000 kg of milk for the year ...............I've seen Angus cows produce as much.
I didn't ask what ther restvof her family produced collectively now Stan 🤪🤪just herself.
8000kg
What milk did the current top ebi bulls dam produce last year ..........anyone hazard a guess
You can't take that fertility figure seriously with a reliability of 33%.. surely you know that
But do you really think it works??
here’s a cow with only and index of 11 for fertility and she has a 361 day calving interval she also gave 937 kg ms last year
if 11 for fertility is producing 361 day ci why are teagasc pushing fertility figures of 200 plus
or is it just so profitable farmers like myself can’t get bulls into stud and instead they are spreading the money to lower systems
I'm not sure of your situation Grass but in Stans case i see that he has 160 cows and is supporting 3 families with it. 2018 Drought id say was the killer for him with high ebi irish based bulls. He probably like alot of people was feeding them properly an not getting the return he was historically getting. I have high yielding cows and my feeling is , yes there is more work but when grass availability becomes a problem im considerably less stressed.
The justice?
Just because the high ebi animsl doesn’t suit your doesn’t mean it doesn’t suit others. Im
more than happy with how our herd here is progressing and it’s all Irish bulls used
Ok
Macauleys
I only ever use the high maize nut
Where are you buying your feed?
Probably getting 1.7 ton
yeah goal is 750-800
its amazing what one bull can do- this heifer calved again this morning- she’s by praser- gp82 as a heifer- her mother scored f69
How much nuts would they be getting 1.5? Would the goal be to bred a herd of cows like the above going 750-800 kgs as a herd average
I’m happy enough with where we’ve gone in the last 5 years
here are a few decent heifers calving from last years group
all classified vg
didn’t have those yields in a long time for heifers oh and they got the same levels of feeding as 6-7000 litre heifers
Health score only real one I use from ebi ….international bulls based on own country figures ….decent milk …good % ….dpr positive …medium stature …good strength …wide deep rump Interestingly bulls I have been using score v well on health for ebi ….Altalawson ,Lawson Larry ,Conway episode ,b52 ..r2d2 Perseus ,wikitionary bulls of choice atm
What are the parameters you use now to pick bulls Mahoney? Have you enough choice from oroven bulls or do you still have to take some risk?
Snapshot from journal of recent herd clearance sale ……quality well bred stock with records and Ai bred are still making decent money
made few errors here re breeding as well ….ebi worked v well for me for years but due to the messing and chopping /changing of sub indexes I gave about 2 years too long pucking bulls based on it ….ended up with sub standard small poor confirmation heifers and took too much milk from them ….comming right again now thankfully
Got a brainwave here to buy a very expensive imported Austrian fleck bull, 6 years ago, the 1st crop of his heifers where that bad, I sold the next batch in the mart, the following spring I'd of got out of cows rather than breed them....
The funny thing is, if a bull like renegade was used on your typical herd the resulting heifers would be ideal stock, the milk/type would be in them and your solids maintained, its not a unrecoverable situation
At least I can admit that I have made huge mistakes
I was also clever enough to swallow my pride and change my breeding so it would be more profitable
