How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Ya, 1st January.
If an agreement was made last night that was agreeable to everyone, it would still take another 3 or 4 months to take effect.
Well an increase wouldn’t happen till march at the earliest so Jan 1st.
There is “an endless pot of money “ for every chancer that arrives here with no documents on the scrounge . It’s time the government had a wake up call . Either they pay us a proper amount which , factoring in inflation doesn’t amount to a pay cut or we vote for industrial action . Proper action to bring the place to a standstill with carefully orchestrated stoppages and 1 day strikes at key times to cause maximum disruption . Won’t last very long if it’s done properly.
Yeah, I can see Riscos reply. I was interpreting that as backdated to some point in 2023 which they were not suggesting. I'd be surprised if whenever the deal is struck it isn't backdated to January 1st.
8.5 over 2.5 yrs is a cracking starting point for the unions to have had outright rejected.
8.5 was offered over 2.5yrs. Great starting point
3.5% (approximately) per year. A pretty bad offer considering we are 6.5% worse off and I am glad the Unions rejected it.
@Ezeoul will be delighted with the 12% for lower paid workers meaning they would roughly break even with inflation while people like myself would be taking an effective pay cut.
EDIT: Yeah, 8.5% isn't a bad starting point at all.
I would have been happy with the 8.5% - assume the 12% for those on lower pay would have been like previous years 1.5% or €750
Miserable offer, a 2.5 year deal is awful as well. No deal should be longer than 2 years and no offer should be under 11% if we're going to break even in regards to past inflation and that which is yet to come.
8.5% over 2.5 years means we'll be down at least 10% in real terms over the life of that deal.
Quite interesting that Pascal revealed the deal before the Unions.
3.4% per year wont cut it.
Ah the Indo, mouthpiecing the government
All touting the headline figures as they know that is all people will see, and will ignore the following "...over two years"
We should nearly reject talking about combined figures or multi year deals. Any agreement should be stated in a per annum basis
Now ye have it, well said. The country is in recession, even Germany is in recession, government national debt is at an all time high ( about 5 times what it was 18 years ago ) and the government is increasing its wage bill even more?
yep. leak it to your favourite anti-union paper and big it up as a great offering to the masses...
Yet company profits are at an all time high and the governments of the world are doing nothing about it.
Prices are increasing because companies are greedy. If the government isn't going to address that, they can give us more money to make up for it.
It never has a problem increasing the wage bill for chancers and the world with its open door policy and money being given like confetti 🙄
If they reported it the way you're suggesting, I'd complain. Ultimately, I only care about the final headline figure. What will my pay be at the end of the deal so I can judge that against predicted inflation. If I want more details i.e. the year by year breakdown, I'll click in and read the article.
Oh God, not the increment crap again.
So saying that you would get 4% a year (on balance) adding up to a final 8% increase would cause you to complain?
Good point, is the government going to the the money for pay rises from (a), (b) or (c) above?
Christ, were I to include where I am on increments I am even less paid Vs my Private sector possibility
(plus bonus, healthcare, pension, and stock)
Interesting to note that inflation predicted for next year has been increased to 3.2% by the Central Bank. 🤔
8.5% in total which will be drip fed over 2.5 years (so to June 2026?) would barely cover inflation predicted between now and then (which could still rise) and it completely and totally ignores the gap between what inflation has been and the pay increases over the last couple of years.
So, as before, we are still left playing catch up.
They need to do better.
Be like Ryan Tubrity so, walk to the private sector and see how you get on. Nothing stoping you.
Yes, in the same way you're complaining if it were reported as 8% overall. I would prefer to just see the final number, that is the main driving factor in determining whether I would accept or reject the proposal. I'll get the breakdown in the article, I know its going to be 2% here, 1.5% there etc. How its broken down doesn't "overly" bother me (of course, if it were 0% for the first 23 months and 8% in the 24th month, that would annoy me).
You would have the final figure.
Do you not see how that final figure is being portrayed, by the government and friendly media? They are touting the full figure which they KNOW that the general public will think that we get as an immediate raise.
well chasing inflation is stupid imo
And yet they can throw money at just about everything else.
Yes, I would have the full figure but I don't want to read "1.5% in Year 1, 3.5% in Year 2, and 3.0% in Year 3" - just tell me its 8% over 3 years (or whatever the figure and breakdown is). From the newspapers perspective, who is going to read that article?
I see how it is being portrayed but people outside the PS don't care about the breakdown. A better way to phrase it would be "A increase of 8% over 3 years" tells the same story. I think most clued in people know its not immediate. For those that don't, should I overly care what they think?
Maybe I am underplaying the effect the general public have on these deals. I think I am in the minority on this thread on this topic. I don't want to derail it, just give my opinion.
and yet, we are in the middle of setting up a sovereign wealth fund.
Every person I speak with always just says "Your getting an X raise" never copping that it is a small increase each year to a total.
Public sentiment will play majorly into this, which is why you always see the media being used against unions (see any time the nurses try something and you get sob stories from patients, blaming the action, when it is completely unrelated)
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