How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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It's maddening when two unrelated issues get conflated like that.
Of course her civil service employment doesn't count for COAP. It was modified PRSI, same as anyone pre-1995.
If a man joined the same time as her and then left for the private sector he'd be told the same thing - his Class B PRSI was worthless for pension purposes.
If she'd stuck to the injustice of having to resign on marriage then it would have been correct. But that's an issue which ended over 50 years ago and in those days most women gave up paid work when they became mothers anyway, or at most a part-time job. That's fine, if it's a choice - it shouldn't have been imposed - but it's hard to prove what her career earnings or PRSI record would have looked like if things had been different.
There were no male CAs then but there were no female paperkeepers either. (incidentally when the CPSU got a settlement for female CAs in the 1990s, the male CAs got nothing but head office told me that that was not sex discrimination, sex discrimination cannot apply to men!)
Unsurprisingly talks have broken up without agreement
A terrible offer by the sounds of it and the government want time to reflect on the talks. I hope they go ahead with the strike ballot and follow through on their threats. There is plenty of money for everyone else so let's see if the unions are willing to follow through on their threats. The union should have received this offer on day one. An absolute shambles by the sounds of it.
They have to go ahead with their meeting today re industrial action. You are quite right, an absolute shambles that the offer is the last thing to be heard in a pay negotiation talks. Pathetic. Unions pathetic , government pathetic.
Public sector pay talks break up without deal after ‘extremely disappointing’ offer
"the opening offer from the Government side was extremely disappointing and the fact remains that there’s a substantial gap between the parties in relation to pay”.
Kinda feels like we knew this already and it didn't really need to take 12 meetings to confirm.
What do we think the offer was ? 3% this year or something derisory like that ? Maybe we’ll find out later today
I’d imagine we will find out after they meet the other unions to tell them this morning. Hard to know, I think I read that that its expected to be a 2.5yr deal. I’d imagine the offer was crap in totality less than 6%.
PS workers need to remember this when it comes to election time.
Everyone feeling valued this morning?
Union totally incompetent. No wonder so many aren't members.
Is this much of a talking point in anyones circle of close contacts in work? I haven't heard it being mentioned but with blended working wouldnt really talk as much to colleagues as i used to.
From what i have heard WFH is more important for most people.
I suspect the offer was 4 or 5 percent over 18 months and the govt. are happy to take their chances with a ballot for strike action considering the last deal sailed through.
It’s pathetic alright but I’ll defo remember whatever the deal is more than their awful process.
Having talked to so many new hires in my section they either have not joined the union because they get the increase anyway, some can't be bothered and quite a few have a very laid back attitude and happy to accept what's given. Personally I was not expecting double digit pay increases or the Gov to make up the shortfall from the last agreement but was hoping for this deal to at least match inflation and have a little meat on the bones.
This is it. Unions have been toothless for years. The govt will call their bluff.
The govt have been able to sit on their hands for years on a wide range of issues, and not be seriously challenged on their policies.
I think thats echoed across the sector.
Ive always advocated for a strong stance on terms over pay. Terms are very hard to secure and keep whereas we will always get a pay increase during the good times.
Ive told my new co's that too.
They were never going to reach agreement on the first go. I’m sure both sides already know where the middle ground is and they probably will get there in the next week or two. The government need a reason to improve their offer (maintain industrial peace in light of threatened industrial action) and the unions need to at least make it appear they got the best deal on offer by rejecting the first one and raising the bar.
True that , and that’s happened the last time. Although I’m not sure if the unions rhetoric around the initial offer was as bad as this time.
It would want to be a hell of a lot better than 2.5% if that is true what's being reported
these are the good times..
12.8% govt increase to minimum wages
increases to social welfare e.g. 14 billion in the budget
and by the looks of it a big two fingers to the governments own workers
I've long said theres an element of showmanship about the talks. I've never seen the talks not drag on. They regularly drag on till 2/3 am and theres really no reason for it.
I'll wait to see what the final deal is before criticising or praising the Unions. People were demanding we balloted for industrial action before Christmas. That looks likely now after todays meeting. I don't understand how it took 12 meetings to get to pay but if it results in us eventually getting a proper deal, I'm willing to wait.
Certainly not. Many in the private sector are on the same wages / income as 18 years ago, and have no golden pension.
Yet public sector workers get security, regular pay increases and a golden pension to look forward to, which no (or very few) private sector workers could afford to finance (to get a decent defined benefit pension a broker quoted total premiums of over a million - few could afford to pay a million in pension contributions).
As someone else said, if ye are not happy with the public sector, be like Ryan Tubrity - walk. Find your true worth in the private sector. He did.
Nothing stopping you joining.
No thanks, I prefer to piss and moan while doing nothing to help!
Jesus you’d want to be some plonker to be on the same wages as you were 18 years ago.
I wouldn’t like somebody to join with such shocking ambition claiming many are on the same salary as they were 18years ago. Maybe they are
where have you seen that?
Yes, it is possible to be on a low wage in PS, and get very little PS pension.
You would get the lump-sum, though.
Note that in these cases, the contributions are also low.
Some people are on the same income as 18 years ago.
As I said, if ye are not happy with the public sector, be like Ryan Tubrity - walk. Find your true worth in the private sector. He did. He is now rumoured to be on 50 to 70 grand stg a year - a far cry from the money he was on in RTE, which to all intents and purposes is public service as it is funded and guaranteed by the taxpayer.
and on a low wage its going to be a .. low lump sum
I wish the unions were more forthcoming with information on the talks. Surely weekly updates are not too much to ask. By all means, keep your cards close to your chest during intensive negotiations, but otherwise keep people informed.
Why don't they say,"the government's offer of X% is too low"? It might help to put pressure on the government who, at the moment, are clearly under none whatsoever.
You said many. Very different to some. And how much percentage is this some? 1% maybe? Hardly worth saying. You are a looper talking about Tubridy, incredibly irrelevant. Blocked
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