How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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What’s tiresome is you repeatedly mentioning you’d accept a measly 6% over two years which again is a pay cut like the last few years. Keep voting for deals that make you poorer, thankfully you’re in the minority if such a pathetic offer now on the table
Aren't there edge-cases of people who did extensive job sharing at lower grades, who end up with the same as the contributory pension?
Definitely remember it being mentioned at the time PRD came in.
Do you have to keep repeating what you'd settle for ?
You don't even have a vote - unless you've re-joined the Union since you last posted.
So the base rate didn't increase by €12 last week? Ok.
And those people don’t get a double pension at Christmas even though they’ve worked all their life.
State Pensions are taxable.
Fair enough point. There are a lot of complex scenarios.
Off topic but do you really have to finish every post with a passive aggressive snipe? Its tiresome at this stage. Not everyone will always agree with you.
I'd take 6% over 2 years.
What their pension is depends on what grade they retired at, and how much service they had.
I used to work in HR and pensions was part of the job. More than a few were on €30 / €40 a week more than the state pension, and that was after 30/40 years of service.
So, €30 or €40 a week more than some people who had never worked in their lives.
If you think that's great, then we have different standards of what great is.
Hopefully we can get this deal completed asap and get an increase in our pay.
Pre 95 and indeed pre 04 retired staff are on great pensions. We shouldnt mention that they dont get the OAP. Its irrelevant.
Chief union negotiator Kevin Callinan said scores of retired public servants had no pension adjustments, while those on the state pension received increases.
Good point, and something that never occurred to me before. Pre April '95 retirees do not receive the state pension separately, so would not receive those increases.
The State pension (both contributory and non-contributory) base rate increased by €12 per week (tax free) starting last week.
Not an expert. That’s for sure. Why say it’s economic suicide if not an expert. Seems extreme.
Like most here, I am not an economist but Google it, takes 5 seconds, first few articles point out how it's not as high as inflation at the minute. In theory it could be higher or lower, linked to the consumer prices of certain goods as far as I can tell but not an expert.
Can you explain the difference between Belgiums "price index" and inflation?
Many countries who had tried it abandoned it and Belgians isn't linked directly to inflation but their own "price index" which as far as I know is currently lower than inflation. Belgium also has higher inflationary rates than any of its neighbours. Took mere seconds to look past the headlines.
Germans are obviously heading for a financial crisis as well, reckless feckers!
So belgiums and Luxembourg’s economy is now dead?
When inflation is high it would be economic suicide to match pay with inflation. People do get this right? Thats why we have interest rates hiked etc, to slow it down. If you match it as @salonfire says, most workers are not matching inflation when it is high, a few will, a few will exceed it but most will not and trying to get it to that level would nad should be roundly laughed out the door.
Are you saying that everyone else in the economy is getting pay increases matching or exceeding inflation? If that was the case, then no one would care about inflation. It wouldn't even be a point of discussion.
However since it is a major point of discussion suggests that it is not just you who is getting below inflation pay increases.
Why should you expect to be sheltered from the effects of inflation more so than anyone else above and beyond general government economic policies to mitigate it?
Unions wont cancel that meeting. If they get nowhere in the next couple of days they would look even weaker if they cancelled it. I would imagine a deal will be struck by Thursday evening at the latest and if not it will be ballot for industrial action even if talks continue.
Could be seen as bad faith on the union side but in fairness to the unions ,who I still think have been woeful during this whole process, they were available the week before Christmas and government would not come back to the table. So the employer side has sort of brought this deadline on.
But sure in reality who knows what will happen? All speculation.
First thing PER will want is Thursday's Union meeting called off.
Be a load of "discussions" over the next couple of days before the WRC put the squeeze on both sides and an agreement is reached over the weekend, possibly Sunday night into Moday morning!
Back on
From the government's perspective, why would they when 90% of union members have previously shown they'd accept below inflation pay increases? It saves them loads compounded every year.
That's how the Belgians do it. It'd cost the government more, and the unions wouldn't get to look busy though, so it'll never happen.
Talks to resume tomorrow afternoon.
Surely they should be considering some sort of inflation-linked index for public sector pay, reviewed annually. Pay can then match inflation (or deflation) and this nonsense doesn't have to happen every year.
That went well Fergal!!
At least arm yourself with some basic facts and a bigger spoon if you are going to try that shi*e!
Isn't there some rule you can be relocated up to 25k from workplace/home or was that abolished?
IIRC, that was part of the Haddington Road Agreement, and it was up to 45km either from your home OR from your current workplace, in any direction.
(eta) 3.7 Across all sectors the guideline redeployment distance will continue to be 45km from the current work location or of the home address, whichever is the shorter commute. Regard will also be had to reasonable daily commute time (i.e. as per the Public Service Agreement 2010-2014). In line with the Public Service Agreement 2010-2014, redeployment options may of necessity be beyond this guideline distance and in such circumstances, consultation will take place in relation to the assignment on offer.
I honestly don't know if it still exists...
No, they didn't.
The cuts were much higher. Up to 14% in some cases.
Seriously, this has been addressed many times already. Read the thread.
Ah well that's a different question to the original smart arse post, isn't it?
Personally i didn't kick up a fuss when i got my last pay cut, no. But, granted i was in the private sector at the time.
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