How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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What their pension is depends on what grade they retired at, and how much service they had.
I used to work in HR and pensions was part of the job. More than a few were on €30 / €40 a week more than the state pension, and that was after 30/40 years of service.
So, €30 or €40 a week more than some people who had never worked in their lives.
If you think that's great, then we have different standards of what great is.
Fair enough point. There are a lot of complex scenarios.
Off topic but do you really have to finish every post with a passive aggressive snipe? Its tiresome at this stage. Not everyone will always agree with you.
I'd take 6% over 2 years.
State Pensions are taxable.
And those people don’t get a double pension at Christmas even though they’ve worked all their life.
So the base rate didn't increase by €12 last week? Ok.
Do you have to keep repeating what you'd settle for ?
You don't even have a vote - unless you've re-joined the Union since you last posted.
Aren't there edge-cases of people who did extensive job sharing at lower grades, who end up with the same as the contributory pension?
Definitely remember it being mentioned at the time PRD came in.
What’s tiresome is you repeatedly mentioning you’d accept a measly 6% over two years which again is a pay cut like the last few years. Keep voting for deals that make you poorer, thankfully you’re in the minority if such a pathetic offer now on the table
I have an opinion. Its as valid as yours.
Is there anything to be said for more annual leave? I'd happily take 5% over 2 years with an extra 10 days holidays.
Annual Leave doesn't pay the bills.
Didn't say I was, and didn't say it was but I understand the basics behind trying to slow inflation and in our economy what is being suggested isn't feasible, IMHO, in the long run. You realise if only experts are allowed comment on anything this thread stops dead.
Working doesn't appear to pay the bills either.....
You can have an opinion, but seeing as you have no vote, you won't be "accepting" anything.
Moving on...
Wouldn’t be for me. I already get 36 and I don’t think I’ve ever taken them all.
more cash is all I want really.
Talk of a deal being reached in the next 24 hours.
Talks aimed at producing a new public sector deal made significant progress on Tuesday, with growing optimism on the union side that an agreement will be concluded in the coming 24 hours.
Looks like I want what you have 😊
Irish Times - "Progress made in public pay talks with both sides believed to be nearing deal"
Any sign of them rolling back the fempi productivity bullshit?
Would I be correct in saying that post 95 PS retirees will in effect not receive the OAP increase (even though they get the OAP) - the occupational pension element will be reduced to bring the total pension back to 50% of final salary (for those with full service etc)?
Yes, they are integrated
I find it amazing that they could meet 10 times before Christmas and not discuss pay and then the first time they meet after Christmas they are confident of concluding a deal within 24 hours.
Trying to avoid jumping to conclusions before any details are revealed but you'd be hoping that suggests that the government have made an offer of a sizeable pay increase that the unions are happy with and hopefully the only details to be ironed out is regarding the time frame of the increases. Here's hoping anyway.
As far as I can remember, that is the case but I am open to correction on that. I worked in HR as a CO pre-NSSO when departments own HR Units did these things. All probably done by NSSO now.
(eta) as an aside, interesting article on pensions here:
36?
Yeah, 36.
I carried 5 so I have 41 in 2024.
Extra time off isn't something I would care for in the new deal.
How do I sign up? The most I'll ever get is 30.
I'll be voting No on anything less than 10%.
Between inflation, being forced back into the Office to prevent a commercial office space crash, the scrotes getting everything for nothing, record company profits during crisises I'm done giving any leeway to the government.
Thats my default position.
over 3 or 4 years ?
I think 8% over 2 years would get it over the line. Under that I would vote no. I'd love to see 10% but I just don't think the government are going to put that on the table.
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