Israel/Palestine Thread

The genocide occurring in Gaza is doing enormous reputational damage to both Israel and the US particularly Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken. Both Biden and Blinken are committed Zionists. The former most likely due to Jewish funding of his political career and the latter due to Jewish ancestry. The moniker genocide Joe is likely to stick and I think Biden is unlikely to be re-elected. Young people in the US can see what is happening in Gaza as genocide. They most likely don't allow Israel a free pass on the basis of what happened in the holocaust.

Tragically the holocaust has been weaponised by Zionists to shut down criticism and justify barbaric behaviour. Netanyahu and his cabinet are endangering the very existence of Israel.

Yet the killing was there before there was a Hamas, and it exists today elsewhere in Palestine where there is no Hamas.

Really what you mean is that the killing would stop tomorrow if Israel was allowed to murder everyone it wanted to today.................but there are probably a lot more than every Palestinian man woman and child on that list. I wouldn't be surprised if every Irish person was also on the list - albeit further down.

Again, you are probably deliberately (and poorly) trying to mispresent what I am saying. I am directly addressing what he is saying in his broad generalisations about others, your point isn't as clever as you think it is.

It's not a technique, you either don't understand what I was saying or else are deliberately trying to misrepresent it. But feel free to make a hit and run comment like that, I don't care.

Get out of that. At least 38 Palestinian children killed in the West Bank alone in the first 9 months of 2023 - i.e.as of Sep 18th ... which was before Oct 7th

The objective is simply to kill as many Palestinians as possible before the Western countries finally shout "stop". With the added "bonus" of tens of thousands of more kids maimed and disabled and a burden on their society for the rest of their lives.

The only reason you could think it is "not a serious argument" is simply that - to you - those dead kids don't count. Perhaps they are a bit too brown or "muslimy" for you? ......if the British Army were killing 38 kids in 9 months up North I doubt you'd be saying "ah sure that's not a serious argument"

At no stage have I ever justified anyone dying. I am spelling out to you the reality of the situation.

Israel is militarily strong, has powerful allies and is rich. Palestine is militarily weak, has weaker less committed allies and is poor.

Every time Palestinians have fought back it's ended in disaster. Their people die disproportionately, their land gets seized, their rights get restricted, their economy is destroyed. This has gone on for decades and decades, and each year a viable state get chiseled away.

Palestinians have always had the sh1t end of the stick and I sympathize, but each time they've fought back, it's made the stick even sh1ttier. This was they they themselves started will go down as another chapter of terrible Palestinian leadership.

Francie, they are getting killed every day anyway. Living in misery, with no hope for most of them. Their attitude is that Israel is going to kill them one way or another. Which has substantial merit.

Do you want to die whimpering or go down fighting in a blaze of glory? - that is a very easy story to sell to any of their young men. And the past three months won't have made it any more difficult to sell that message to them.

no, the killing would really not stop tomorrow or at any time, if hamas surrendered.

this is simply about genocide in the aim of land theft on the basis of self entitlement.

Ok, Marxism bad = we get it. You probably have no idea what postmodernism is either other than Marxism = bad. Have you read any Gramsci or Foucault out of interest btw or are you just skimming synopses on Wiki and dismissing them because "leftists"? Anyway, whatever you do, don't bother to try to educate yourself - just keep on reinforcing your own biases.

So you could say the same for Israelis who returned Bibi to power. The Bibi who propped up Hamas until it blew up in his face . Is that as interesting to you?