How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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I worked in finance and the Finance Services Union was amazing. Can think of plenty of examples they got involved on issues within the place I worked and improved working conditions.
Can not say the same for Forsa. And closing in on 5 years in the service, I have never heard a positive thing from others. They seem to actively avoid issues and you only hear from them when its pay talk season. Anyone old still seems pissed off they rolled over during the recession and young staffs are either angry they never respond to their emails or money is so tight they would rather keep the extra fiver per payday
This and if the offer isn't good enough all out until it is reached
What nonsense, that company was in the shitter regardless.
I am disgusted by them.
Several times over the past year I have tried to make contact and evert time my correspondence is ignored, unless it's about the bloody panto
I was in management at the time. I know exactly what went on.
It's not a union's job to save a company. Blaming a union because a company is circling the drain is crazy
Union was pushing for pay rises even when the books said they couldn't afford them. Pushed the company into examinershio
Any chance of some medical scheme or benefits also?
Lol, they had 11 meetings and couldn't even get the government to discuss pay yet.
Just as well there have been virtually no public sector strike days over the past 20-30 years.
Will never, and I mean never, get a medical scheme because that would mean that the government has had to admit that the public system is not good enough, thanks to them.
Every TD should be polled to see if they have private health care. I, honestly, believe that if public representatives had to use only public services that there would be world class services available to all
Thats not quite true. Different sectors such as nurses and teachers have had strikes.
There have been strikes lasting a maximum of 1 or 2 days yet none organised by the governments union - ICTU.
That's not "virtually no" strike days.
What's the "governments union"? Do ICTU have the power to organize a strike? It's always each individual unions decision (well their members).
Do we know what has been discussed at these meetings so far?
What sandwiches we are having today?
Whi is taking the notes?
What will we say to the media this evening?
Are you going anywhere on your holidays this year?
We won't talk about pay even though our members have had a nwar 8% real pay cut in 2022 and 2023. The union are useless and being shown up as useless as well by DPER.
A simple entire public sector 1 day strike, per week, until they come back to talk properly with a full PS strike accepted as escalation if deal is crap
No more strikes, work to rule, or any action in individual sectors.
We negotiate as one we should act as one
Today's Business Post gives a good synopsis (behind paywall, but gave me one article free anyway) https://www.businesspost.ie/news/strikes-loom-as-donohoe-losing-control-with-no-pay-deal-in-sight/
"Both sides have insisted that pay has not yet been discussed, with a focus instead on the removal of Fempi (Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) legislation, the structure of a multi-year deal, the question of industrial peace clauses and the desire by unions to have a “local bargaining clause” over particular grade or category disputes, and the “future-proofing” of public services, including protections for jobs against technological change and outsourcing.
It is understood that the last element, the future-proofing of public services, was considered by Donohoe as one of the items raised at a “late stage in the process”."
Last section echoes what I've heard elsewhere...seemingly some unions (mainly admin grades hse/CS) wanted guarantee that if an office has 10 workers now, but IT changes mean only 5 needed in a decade, there's still 10 workers! ie 10 union members. This caught government ( and I've heard even some other Unions) off guard.
If only 5 workers needed in the future, why would we have 10? Surely reskilling them and putting them elsewhere is better? That's an odd request imo.
Thanls for the article.
What FEMPI measures are still in place?
That last part is crazy,staff can and should be relocated if work practices change and an area is over staffed.
I don't think we need to worry too much about that. Seeing as we can't seem to recruit and retain staff!
Redeployment is not how they reduce numbers anyway. They reduce numbers by natural wastage (retirements and resignations), non-filling of vacancies/suppression of posts, and recruitment freezes.
That's how they did it last time.
Business Post article without the paywall - https://archive.ph/wYXRs
"The last pay deal extension was a 6.5% increase over 2022 and 2023.
Inflation was 8% in 2022, and around 5% for 2023.
Inflation is projected to drop to roughly 3%."
So the pay 'increases' in the last deal left us 6.5% worse off relative to inflation.
Pension Related Deduction is still in place, now conveniently renamed (like the ould Windscale / Sellafield tactic) to the ASC.
The 'crazy last part' is fiction. Government relocates work and staff all the time.
That was discussed earlier in the thread. When FEMPI is gone, ASC remains. ASC is now technically different to FEMPI.
Of course, i agree with your sentiment. Just pointing out it will remain.
I actually forgot that was part of FEMPI.Never likely to go and nothing but a tax in a different guise.
Thats way I said it was crazy , shouldn't be any way that could hinder talks ?
Isnt there some rule you can be relocated up to 25k from workplace/home or was that abolished?
Welcome to the HSE, what a pack of wasters, that's literally acknowledging that they outright refuse to try and make their sections and departments more efficient as technology progresses. This isn't how it is in at least some civil service departments, but the HSE unfortunately seem to be the stereotypical public service that's slow and badly managed and never keeps up with the times.
And it was an employer using it's position of power to force what would be illegal for other employers
LOL, thats exactly who I thought of when it was said.
I worked in a HSE office before and their payroll room was full of older ladies using a COBOL (I think) based system. 10 of them there doing a job that most offices would run on with 2.
They were only ever busy around input time so every morning, for their 10 minute tea break, they would photocopy the Irish Times crossword for each of them and spend an hour doing it.
They just refused to move to a more modern payroll option
The entire HSE has been running on SAP Payroll for a few years now.
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